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Old 04-07-2011, 02:47 PM  
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*Warning: HuffPo* Tea Party Blamed For Shutdown

New Polls: Tea Party Roadblock To Budget Compromise

Mark Blumenthal
First Posted: 04/ 7/11 01:47 PM ET Updated: 04/ 7/11 02:11 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Two new national polls confirm the political underpinnings of the ongoing budget stalemate: Most independent and Democratic voters want leaders to compromise and reach a budget deal, but the Republican's Tea Party base wants the GOP to stick to a hard-line position -- even if that could force a government shutdown.

The new polls released yesterday by Gallup and the NBC News/Wall Street Journal polling partnership support the results published by the Pew Research Center earlier this week. "The American public," as Gallup explains, "has clearly and consistently expressed a desire for elected officials in Washington to pass a new fiscal year budget without bringing government operations to a halt."

So why the stalemate? Tabulations by party provide the answer:



As the table above shows, slightly better than two-thirds of Democrats want their leaders to compromise on the budget (support ranges from 68 to 69 percent) rather than force a shutdown. Similarly, the majority of independents also want lawmakers of both parties to compromise: between 53 to 76 percent support a deal. But Republicans are split, with more urging their leaders to stick to their positions (between 50 and 56 percent), rather than supporting a compromise to avert a shutdown (between 36 and 44 percent).

Two of these surveys identify Tea Party Republicans as the most resistant to compromise. Both the Pew Research and NBC/Wall Street Journal polls show exactly 68 percent of Tea Party members want the Republican leaders to stick to their positions, while both polls found only 28 percent favor compromise. On the other hand, Republicans who do not identify with the Tea Party on the Pew Research poll favor compromise by a two-to-one margin: 56 percent to 26 percent. (The third survey, from Gallup, did not report results for Tea Party identifiers.)

It is this kind of political pressure from the Republican base that, as the Wall Street Journal reports, "has prompted the Republican-led House to approve a bill calling for $61 billion in budget cuts in the current fiscal year, far more than Democratic lawmakers want."

The NBC/Wall Street Journal poll also confirms that Americans are divided and uncertain about whom they might blame if a government shutdown occurs. Roughly the same number say they would blame the Republicans in Congress (37 percent) as say they would blame either President Obama (20 percent) or the Democrats in Congress (20 percent). That result is about the same as the outcomes of three polls conducted by Pew Research and the Washington Post last month, which also asked about "blame" for a potential shutdown.

(Other polls find more Americans ready to give "responsibility" to the Republicans. More details on those polls can be found here.)

But as Nate Silver points out this morning, most Americans are not yet focused on the budget story. Bill McInturff, the Republican pollster who conducts the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll with Democrat Peter Hart, warns that the "blame" numbers may change. A government shutdown "will feel out of the blue," he tells the Journal. "This is a country that is not ready."

Americans may not be able to accurately predict their future attitudes, but pollsters can measure current perceptions of which party holds the higher ground in the budget battle.

The results from Gallup on that score are mixed. When they ask who is "doing a better job on efforts to agree on a new federal budget," they find more Americans name President Obama and Democrats in Congress (41 percent) than Republicans in Congress (34 percent).

The Republican number on that question has actually fallen eight points, from 42 percent, since mid-February, according to Gallup. Over the same period, the number for Obama and the Democrats has risen slightly, up from 39 percent.

On the other hand, two questions on yesterday's Gallup survey show that more Americans think that the budget proposals from Obama and the Democrats "do not go far enough in cutting federal spending" (45 percent) than think the GOP proposals "go too far in cutting federal spending" (32 percent).

But again, a real shutdown will raise the profile of the budget story considerably. The last government shutdown, in late 1995 and early 1996, caused the number of Americans following news about the budget debate "very closely" to nearly double (from 20 percent to 36 percent), while the number following the story "fairly" or "very closely" jumped by 19 points (from 55 percent to 74 percent) on the Pew Research tracking poll.

With that sort of increased spotlight, judgments about blame and performance are very much subject to change.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_846122.html
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:12 PM   #2
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:17 PM   #3
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Which begs the obvious question: Why would democrats compromise if the Tea party will get the blame?
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:19 PM   #4
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Is getting the blame supposed to = bad?

I would blame them for the shutdown for sticking to their guns and I support it.
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:26 PM   #5
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But, I heard right here on CP that "Obama will own the shutdown."

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Old 04-07-2011, 03:28 PM   #6
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Good, glad to know someone somewhere is willing to put on the big boy pants and start making the difficult decisions.
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:31 PM   #7
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But, I heard right here on CP that "Obama will own the shutdown."


The tea party clearly understands that they were sent to Washington to cut spending. Saying they are the reason Obama had a shutdown on his watch should be intuitively obvious....they did what they were sent to do....the issue is Obama is going to look like a fool for not recognizing that was the message sent last November and he ignored it.

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Old 04-07-2011, 03:42 PM   #8
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This should work out super for the Tea Party.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....ry-gratis.html

Mark Thompson reports that a government shutdown could impact pay for the troops:

Can you imagine being a young soldier some 7,000 miles from home, and being told by a top official of the U.S. government that your next paycheck is going to be short? Even tougher to imagine is making that phone call home to the spouse to share the news. "This is going to hurt my family really bad," one wife posted on Facebook. "My husband due to deploy next week, we wont be able to pay our bills properly cause of this."

Does the Tea Party fully understand the consequences of their brinkmanship?
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:45 PM   #9
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Does the Tea Party fully understand the consequences of their brinkmanship?
The President decides what is essential during a shutdown and if he doesn't pay the troops, it is on him. Especially after the GOP-held House just approved troop pay the rest of the fiscal with the CR today. But, you're right, it's the Tea Party's fault....fuggtard
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:47 PM   #10
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Soldiers will know they are being shat on so Obama can have abortions and the EPA can rule without oversighe.....I bet soldiers are generally smarter than OBots and will see it for what it is.

Their commander in chief is who said he will veto the bill.
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:53 PM   #11
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http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/07/...blican-people/

MIKE PENCE: Well, I don’t know if we’re checkmating. But we’re trying — we’re trying to score a victory for the Republican people, for — for the American — for the Republican people — trying to score a victory for the American people, not for the Republican Party. That victory is going to come in stages here.
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Old 04-07-2011, 03:56 PM   #12
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This should work out super for the Tea Party.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....ry-gratis.html

Mark Thompson reports that a government shutdown could impact pay for the troops:

Can you imagine being a young soldier some 7,000 miles from home, and being told by a top official of the U.S. government that your next paycheck is going to be short? Even tougher to imagine is making that phone call home to the spouse to share the news. "This is going to hurt my family really bad," one wife posted on Facebook. "My husband due to deploy next week, we wont be able to pay our bills properly cause of this."

Does the Tea Party Obama fully understand the consequences of their his brinkmanship?
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:01 PM   #13
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http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/07/...blican-people/

MIKE PENCE: Well, I don’t know if we’re checkmating. But we’re trying — we’re trying to score a victory for the Republican people, for — for the American — for the Republican people — trying to score a victory for the American people, not for the Republican Party. That victory is going to come in stages here.
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Old 04-07-2011, 04:32 PM   #14
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I guess it depends on who's doing the asking when it comes to blame:

2. If the federal government shuts down because (Republicans) and (the Obama administration) can’t agree on a budget, who do you think would be more to blame:

Republicans 37%
Obama 37%
Both 15%
Neither 2%


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...XdC_story.html

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This should work out super for the Tea Party.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....ry-gratis.html

Mark Thompson reports that a government shutdown could impact pay for the troops:

Can you imagine being a young soldier some 7,000 miles from home, and being told by a top official of the U.S. government that your next paycheck is going to be short? Even tougher to imagine is making that phone call home to the spouse to share the news. "This is going to hurt my family really bad," one wife posted on Facebook. "My husband due to deploy next week, we wont be able to pay our bills properly cause of this."

Does the Tea Party fully understand the consequences of their brinkmanship?

Who do you really think put that into the legislation? Are you really this dumb?
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