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Old 04-11-2011, 07:17 AM  
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US had technology in the 1990s to run cars, gas generators and army tanks using water

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US inventor Stanley Meyer developed an electric cell which split ordinary tap water into hydrogen and oxygen with far less energy than that required by a normal electrolytic cell. Meyer retrofitted a dune buggy with the device and fueled the dune buggy with water instead of gasoline. Meyer demonstrated his water for fuel invention to Professor Michael Laughton, Dean of Engineering at Mary College, London, Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin, a former controller of the British Navy, and Dr Keith Hindley, a UK research chemist. Meyer’s cell, developed at the inventor’s home in Grove City, Ohio, produced far more hydrogen/oxygen mixture than could have been expected by simple electrolysis.

According to the witnesses, the most startling aspect of the Meyer cell was that it remained cold, even after hours of gas production.

Meyer’s water fuel cells have earned him a series of US patents granted under Section 101. The granting of a patent under this section is dependent on a successful demonstration of the invention to a Patent Review Board.

Meyer’s cell have many of the attributes of an electrolytic cell except that it functions at high voltage, low current rather than the other way around. Construction is unremarkable. The electrodes — referred to as “excitors” by Meyer — are made from parallel plates of stainless steel formed in either flat or concentric topography. Gas production varied as the inverse of the distance between them; the patents states that a spacing of 1.5 mm produces satisfactory results.

Meyer used an external inductance which resonated with the capacitance of the cell — pure water apparently possesses a dielectric constant of about 5 — to produce a parallel resonant circuit. This is excited by a high power pulse generator which, together with the cell capacitance and a rectifier diode, forms a charge pump circuit. High frequency pulses build a rising staircase DC potential across the electrodes of the cell until a point is reached where the water breaks down and a momentary high current flows. A current measuring circuit in the supply detects this breakdown and removes the pulse drive for a few cycles allowing the water to “recover”.

Research chemist Keith Hindley offers this description of a Meyer cell demonstration: “After a day of presentations, the Griffin committee witnessed a number of important demonstration of the WFC” (water fuel cell as named by the inventor).

A team of independent UK scientifc observers testified that US inventor Stanley Meyer successfully decomposed ordinary tap water into constituent elements through a combination of high, pulsed voltage using an average current measured only in milliamps. Reported gas evolution was enough to sustain a hydrogen /oxygen flame which instantly melted steel.

“After hours of discussion between ourselves, we concluded that Stan Meyer did appear to have discovered an entirely new method for splitting water which showed few of the characteristics of classical electrolysis. Confirmation that his devices actually do work come from his collection of granted US patents on various parts of the WFC system. Since they were granted under Section 101 by the US Patent Office, the hardware involved in the patents has been examined experimentally by US Patent Office experts and their seconded experts and all the claims have been established.”

“The basic WFC was subjected to three years of testing. This raises the granted patents to the level of independent, critical, scientific and engineering confirmation that the devices actually perform as claimed.”

To introduce this new invention to the public a TV crew from the Ohio TV station WSYX, channel 6, filmed the dune buggy that Meyers drove using nothing but water. No gasoline was used. Meyer drove the water powered dune buggy across states. The dune buggy got 100 miles per gallon of water. Stanley Meyer died suddenly on March 21, 1998 after dining at a restaurant.

Stan Meyer’s Canadian Patent

Canadian Patent CA 2067735 – WATER FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM – An injector system comprising an improved method and apparatus useful in the production of a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a process in which the dielectric property of water and/or a mixture of water and other components determines a resonant condition that produces a breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the water molecule. – Inventor MEYER, STANLEY A.

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Old 04-11-2011, 07:35 AM   #2
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This is something I believe is being held back by the people in control.



Oil is a huge part of the world economy, if it were to be replaced by cheap energy, the Middle East would break down and the world would become an extremely unpredictable place.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:39 AM   #3
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I think it's probably much more likely that this is a fairy tale.

I remember watching an old episode of The Munsters that was filmed back in the 1960s. Grandpa had invented a pill that turned water into gasoline, but the oil companies did everything they could to kill it, and they eventually did.

This is not a new story. The players change, but the conspiracy theory has been around for over 50 years.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:43 AM   #4
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This is something I believe is being held back by the people in control.



Oil is a huge part of the world economy, if it were to be replaced by cheap energy, the Middle East would break down and the world would become an extremely unpredictable place.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:49 AM   #5
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The only idea worse than turning our food into gas would be turning our drinking water into gas.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:56 AM   #6
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:00 AM   #7
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JFC, do just a fwe seconds of background research before wasting everyone's time.

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In 1996, Meyer was sued by two investors to whom he had sold dealerships, offering the right to do business in Water Fuel Cell technology. His car was due to be examined by the expert witness Michael Laughton, Professor of Electrical Engineering at Queen Mary, University of London and Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering. However, Meyer made what Professor Laughton considered a "lame excuse" on the days of examination and did not allow the test to proceed.[3] According to Meyer the technology was patent pending and under investigation by the patent office, the Department of Energy and the military.[14] His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis". The court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.[.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley...ater_fuel_cell
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:02 AM   #8
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Did some quick research. This guy was apparently a fraud.

First of all his claims, (his device performs electrolysis requiring less energy than what is predicted by science, and therefore is more economical than fossil fuels) if they had been true, would have violated the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

When a couple investors sued him, three experts examined the car and testified that it used standard electrolysis. That is a problem because his engine required a very large energy input to produce the hydrogen, which can be more cheaply and efficiently produced by fossil fuels. He was found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and had to pay back his investors.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:04 AM   #9
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Did some quick research. This guy was apparently a fraud.

First of all his claims, (his device performs electrolysis requiring less energy than what is predicted by science, and therefore is more economical than fossil fuels) if they had been true, would have violated the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

When a couple investors sued him, three experts examined the car and testified that it used standard elctrolysis. That is a problem because his engine required a very large energy input to produce the hydrogen, which can be more cheaply and efficiently produced by fossil fuels. He was found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and had to pay back his investors.
"Conspiracy theory nonsense about how the trial was rigged and his car was tampered with."

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Old 04-11-2011, 08:22 AM   #10
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JFC, do just a fwe seconds of background research before wasting everyone's time.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley...ater_fuel_cell
Did you just put research and wikipedia in the same sentence. Holy Shit

I realize you guys share the same brain, but damn. The people behind the scenes love oil. Just look at where our military is right now and has been for years. They love it. Of course they would do anything to discredit this man. A friend of mines dad had the same thing going except it was with old grease and the fbi came in and took all of his plans and wrecked all of his shit after he tried to get it a patent for it. This is straight from his son, i know it's not on wikipedia but I KNOW it to be true. They can't let shit like that get out.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:25 AM   #11
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Did you just put research and wikipedia in the same sentence. Holy Shit

I realize you guys share the same brain, but damn. The people behind the scenes love oil. Just look at where our military is right now and has been for years. They love it. Of course they would do anything to discredit this man. A friend of mines dad had the same thing going except it was with old grease and the fbi came in and took all of his plans and wrecked all of his shit after he tried to get it a patent for it. This is straight from his son, i know it's not on wikipedia but I KNOW it to be true. They can't let shit like that get out.
You're insane.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:26 AM   #12
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Did you just put research and wikipedia in the same sentence. Holy Shit

I realize you guys share the same brain, but damn. The people behind the scenes love oil. Just look at where our military is right now and has been for years. They love it. Of course they would do anything to discredit this man. A friend of mines dad had the same thing going except it was with old grease and the fbi came in and took all of his plans and wrecked all of his shit after he tried to get it a patent for it. This is straight from his son, i know it's not on wikipedia but I KNOW it to be true. They can't let shit like that get out.

Nothing personal, but you're a nut job. Not necessarily a right or left wing nut job -- more a regular everyday nut job.

Feel free to stop wasting everyone's time here with ridiculous anecdotes and stories of proven fraudsters.

Last but not least, Wikipedia isn't a tool for serious scholarship, but if you need to prove/disprove something that immediately looks absolutely ridiculous, it's a great way to make a preliminary assessment. You want me to get you a copy of the Court's order in the case or soemthing? JFC.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:27 AM   #13
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Did you just put research and wikipedia in the same sentence. Holy Shit

I realize you guys share the same brain, but damn. The people behind the scenes love oil. Just look at where our military is right now and has been for years. They love it. Of course they would do anything to discredit this man. A friend of mines dad had the same thing going except it was with old grease and the fbi came in and took all of his plans and wrecked all of his shit after he tried to get it a patent for it. This is straight from his son, i know it's not on wikipedia but I KNOW it to be true. They can't let shit like that get out.
Whoa - this guy might challenge teedubya for the Chiefsplanet most batshit crazy poster. Unless he's kidding.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:28 AM   #14
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Nothing personal, but you're a nut job. Not necessarily a right or left wing nut job -- more a regular everyday nut job.

Feel free to stop wasting everyone's time here with ridiculous anecdotes and stories of proven fraudsters.

Last but not least, Wikipedia isn't a tool for serious scholarship, but if you need to prove/disprove something that immediately looks absolutely ridiculous, it's a great way to make a preliminary assessment. You want me to get you a copy of the Court's order in the case or soemthing? JFC.
If you don't like it don't read it. There are people on here that are able to think for themselves. Same brain can't so same brain should not read or respond to any of my post in DC. It is not meant for same brain.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:29 AM   #15
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First of all his claims, (his device performs electrolysis requiring less energy than what is predicted by science, and therefore is more economical than fossil fuels) if they had been true, would have violated the first and second laws of thermodynamics.

Just another example of those in charge setting the laws to stifle innovation.
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