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Old 04-16-2011, 05:11 AM  
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Commerce Dept. unveils Internet ID plan

Published April 15, 2011 FoxNews.com


The Commerce Dept. unveiled a plan Friday to create a national cyber-identity system that would give consumers who opt in a single secure password and identity for all their digital transactions.

The National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace (NSTIC) will be a voluntary system designed to protect consumers from online fraud and identity theft -- which hit 8.1 million people last year, at a total cost of $27 billion. The problem: The current system of half-remembered passwords jotted down on post-it notes and based on pets and maiden names simply isn't good enough.

"Passwords just won't cut it here," said Commerce Secretary Gary Locke, who announced the initiative at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. “We must do more to help consumers protect themselves, and we must make it more convenient than remembering dozens of passwords,” he said.

The "identity ecosystem" will create secure online IDs for Americans who elect to join the program, giving them a single credential -- such as a unique piece of software on a smart phone, a smart card, or a token that generates a one-time digital password -- which they can use to log on to a variety of websites.

Instead of having to remember all those disparate passwords, one for each site that conducts a secure transaction, a consumer would use that single credential to log in, with far more security than a password alone would provide, the agency said.

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Old 04-16-2011, 04:25 PM   #16
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Actually, this is a pretty good idea. I'm not sure why a private company hasn't already jumped on this.

First off, this is not your father's password. We're talking about a physical device - in your pocket, like your keys. And we're talking about MBs, not bytes. And 16-bit encryption, private and public keys. Just like real security.

The automatic "government can't do anything right" narcissism is getting in the way of actual thought in this thread. All of you need to look again - the gov't. does some things amazingly well, specifically technology. Just look at WWII or NASA.

As long as it's voluntary, I would have no qualms about this program.

p.s. Do you really think your worldly goods are any safer at a bank or investment firm that has all your numbers anyway? It's the Maddoffs and Sachs of the world who've been stealing billions, not the IRS.

Some will say the IRS does its looting in plain sight - to the degree that you agree, why would this password device matter? They already have your SS number, address, etc.

Last Pass is an extension that will keep/generate passwords. I use it for stuff I don't care about.
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Old 04-16-2011, 05:00 PM   #17
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The automatic "government can't do anything right" narcissism is getting in the way of actual thought in this thread. All of you need to look again - the gov't. does some things amazingly well, specifically technology. Just look at WWII or NASA.
LOL

that'll help your argument...
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Old 04-16-2011, 05:06 PM   #18
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that'll help your argument...
It will to people who have a clue:

NASA Spinoffs with Practical Applications

Under the Space Act of 1958, NASA has had a mandate to share all the information it has gained with the public. Here are a few of the practical applications that have resulted from technologies and information learned by space scientists:

•CAT scans
•MRIs
•Kidney dialysis machines
•Heart defibrillator technology
•Remote robotic surgery
•Artificial heart pump technology
•Physical therapy machines
•Positron emission tomography
•Microwave receivers used in scans for breast cancer
•Cardiac angiography
•Monitoring neutron activity in the brain
•Cleaning techniques for hospital operating rooms
•Portable x-ray technology for neonatal offices and 3rd world countries
•Freeze-dried food
•Water purification filters
•ATM technology
•Pay at the Pump satellite technology
•Athletic shoe manufacturing technique
•Insulation barriers for autos
•Image-processing software for crash-testing automobiles
•Holographic testing of communications antennas
•Low-noise receivers
•Cordless tools
•A computer language used by businesses such as car repair shops, Kodak, hand-held computers, express mail
•Aerial reconnaissance and Earth resources mapping
•Airport baggage scanners
•Distinction between natural space objects and satellites/warheads/rockets for defense
•Satellite monitors for nuclear detonations
•Hazardous gas sensors
•Precision navigation
•Clock synchronization
•Ballistic missile guidance
•Secure communications
•Study of ozone depletion
•Climate change studies
•Monitoring of Earth-based storms such as hurricanes
•Solar collectors
•Fusion reactors
•Space-age fabrics for divers, swimmers, hazardous material workers, and others
•Teflon-coated fiberglass for roofing material
•Lightweight breathing system used by firefighters
•Atomic oxygen facility for removing unwanted material from 19th century paintings
•FDA-adopted food safety program that has reduced salmonella cases by a factor of 2
•Multispectral imaging methods used to read ancient Roman manuscripts buried by Mt. Vesuvius


Read more at Suite101: Practical Applications of Space Technology: Discoveries and Developments by NASA and Their Benefit to Society http://www.suite101.com/content/prac...#ixzz1JjL3N96N
And of course, there's that whole "space" thing.
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Old 04-16-2011, 05:06 PM   #19
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Without trying to sound overly paranoid, it would also be a great first step toward eventually enforcing an internet sales tax.
That's exactly what they're trying to do.

For the past few yrs the govt have been trying to get their hands on the internet economic sector, mainly because it's so huge now as opposed to what it was 10 yrs ago.
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Old 04-16-2011, 05:39 PM   #20
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That's a horrific idea. We're finally freer from govt with internet sales only for them to find a way in loot us again.
I don't support this at all, I'm just saying that if that's the goal then this type of system would be perfect to enforce it. IF I wanted to set up the government to be in a perfect situation to collect sales tax from internet purchases this is exactly how I'd do it.

I would think something like this would need to have the full support of credit card companies first. Then you could offer some kind of government guarantee to cover x-amount of losses per consumer but only for charges that went through using the new secure ID system. It wouldn't be long before CC companies would only allow charges over the phone or internet using the secure ID to minimize their exposure to fraud losses. Then you'd have the system right where you wanted it. You could see exactly who was getting paid and send them a bill.
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Old 04-16-2011, 05:40 PM   #21
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Old 04-16-2011, 07:23 PM   #22
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It will to people who...

orange misses the point yet again...

http://www.wired.com/science/space/m...sa_50_mistakes


I am a NASA buff and a true fan but I would not trust them to with my passwords!





was that standard or Metric?

and hey, when Congress threatens to cut funding, we'll put out a press release that we have found evidence of alien life!!!!
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:24 PM   #23
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Without trying to sound overly paranoid, it would also be a great first step toward eventually enforcing an internet sales tax.
now if they would apply that same reasoning to pot, we might have a shot at legalization in my lifetime (they better be getting to it)...
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:30 PM   #24
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now if they would apply that same reasoning to pot, we might have a shot at legalization in my lifetime (they better be getting to it)...





Well, I actually agree; except we ought to get to the collecting taxes, and the ensuing enhancement of federal revenues soon....heh. Just sayin'.

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Old 04-16-2011, 09:33 PM   #25
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http://www.wired.com/science/space/m...sa_50_mistakes


I am a NASA buff and a true fan but I would not trust them to with my passwords!





was that standard or Metric?

and hey, when Congress threatens to cut funding, we'll put out a press release that we have found evidence of alien life!!!!
really a bad idea that will inevitably occur anyway...

imagine how much fun it will be when someone figures out how to hack these things and gets to clean out all of your accounts instead of just one...
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Old 04-16-2011, 09:35 PM   #26
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Well, I actually agree; except we ought to get to the collecting taxes, and the ensuing enhancement of federal revenues soon....heh. Just sayin'.

sooner the better for me...

i'm hoping the price will come down...
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Old 04-16-2011, 10:08 PM   #27
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sooner the better for me...

i'm hoping the price will come down...
Once the thugs and wanna-be's and lame fuggers are "out" of it....I'm guessin' the price plummets, despite draconian taxation.

Just thinkin' out-loud. Heh.
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I don't support this at all, I'm just saying that if that's the goal then this type of system would be perfect to enforce it. IF I wanted to set up the government to be in a perfect situation to collect sales tax from internet purchases this is exactly how I'd do it.

I would think something like this would need to have the full support of credit card companies first. Then you could offer some kind of government guarantee to cover x-amount of losses per consumer but only for charges that went through using the new secure ID system. It wouldn't be long before CC companies would only allow charges over the phone or internet using the secure ID to minimize their exposure to fraud losses. Then you'd have the system right where you wanted it. You could see exactly who was getting paid and send them a bill.
Ok, I worked for a company that was working directly with two major credit card companies to develop and on-line "wallet" that held your credentials securely, much as how this is being described. First thing, the company went bankruptn several years ago even with $300M in investments. I believe a lot of that was due to the company business model more than anything though.

The biggest problem that they were never able to get around was how to have to fill in all the fields properly. If you know anything about coding you will know that each field that is to be filled in has a "name." Not every site os going to ues the same name for similar fields. As such, how does the wallet software know which fields to complete with which information? Unless the sites are streamlined so that the checkout process is the same across the board, this is a difficult if not impossible piece of technology they are suggesting.
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It will to people who have a clue:

NASA Spinoffs with Practical Applications

Under the Space Act of 1958, NASA has had a mandate to share all the information it has gained with the public. Here are a few of the practical applications that have resulted from technologies and information learned by space scientists:

•CAT scans
Nope – It was a British engineer
http://www.imaginis.com/ct-scan/brief-history-of-ct
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_t...#ixzz1JpGvU2w3
•MRIs
Nope
http://www.ehow.com/about_4599974_who-invented-mri.html
•Kidney dialysis machines
Nope
http://inventors.about.com/library/i...s/blkidney.htm
•Heart defibrillator technology
Nope- It was two Italian physiologists
http://www.streetdirectory.com/trave...ave_lives.html
•Remote robotic surgery
Nope
http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php...n1/davinci.xml
•Artificial heart pump technology
•Physical therapy machines
•Positron emission tomography
•Microwave receivers used in scans for breast cancer
•Cardiac angiography
•Monitoring neutron activity in the brain
•Cleaning techniques for hospital operating rooms
•Portable x-ray technology for neonatal offices and 3rd world countries
•Freeze-dried food
•Water purification filters
•ATM technology
•Pay at the Pump satellite technology
•Athletic shoe manufacturing technique
•Insulation barriers for autos
•Image-processing software for crash-testing automobiles
•Holographic testing of communications antennas
•Low-noise receivers

•Cordless tools
Nope
The first cordless tool was actually invented by Robert Ridley, Jr while working at Black & Decker. Martin Marietta contracted with Black and Decker in the mid-to late 1960's to develop a range of cordless tools for the space program.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invent..._cordless_tool
•A computer language used by businesses such as car repair shops, Kodak, hand-held computers, express mail
•Aerial reconnaissance and Earth resources mapping
•Airport baggage scanners
•Distinction between natural space objects and satellites/warheads/rockets for defense
•Satellite monitors for nuclear detonations
•Hazardous gas sensors
•Precision navigation
•Clock synchronization
•Ballistic missile guidance
•Secure communications
•Study of ozone depletion
•Climate change studies
•Monitoring of Earth-based storms such as hurricanes

•Solar collectors
Nope
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invent...ector_and_when

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_invent...#ixzz1JpEy8dLq

http://www.benefits-of-recycling.com...larenergy.html
http://www.solarenergy-solarpower.com/solar-energy.html
•Fusion reactors
•Space-age fabrics for divers, swimmers, hazardous material workers, and others

•Teflon-coated fiberglass for roofing material
Fiberglass developed by Austrian scientists Dr Pollak and Dr Neumann first using it in 1930, NASA was formed on July 29, 1958
Teflon was invented for DuPont in 1938 by Dr. Roy Plunket.
The Agency applied it to heat shields, space suits, and cargo hold liners
http://inventors.about.com/library/i...s/blteflon.htm
•Lightweight breathing system used by firefighters
•Atomic oxygen facility for removing unwanted material from 19th century paintings
•FDA-adopted food safety program that has reduced salmonella cases by a factor of 2
•Multispectral imaging methods used to read ancient Roman manuscripts buried by Mt. Vesuvius


Read more at Suite101: Practical Applications of Space Technology: Discoveries and Developments by NASA and Their Benefit to Society http://www.suite101.com/content/prac...#ixzz1JjL3N96N
And of course, there's that whole "space" thing.
You forgot the GOLFBALLS!

Anyhow, nothin' there the private sector couldn't do. In fact it did and NASA either used it or made improvements based on their needs if someone really needs a clue. (<--- just usin' your words) Many of those listed are not spinoffs from NASA technology either. It's more like the other way around where NASA uses original breakthroughs of others work and creates something second hand. Great PR site for the spendthrift boondogglers where such things cost 5X more than a private source would have to produce. I don't see how being overcharged for things the private sector can do for less because they're more efficient out of necessity as being a benefit to society. It benefits bureaucrats and their mindsets more. Ya' know they like to stay employed but it's off the taxpayers though.

I just did a few and put them in your quote but I bet money I could find more but it would be time consuming. Meanwhile, I've added the quotes below from

Office of the Chief Techologist-NASA Spinoff
[ I realized your words were not "invent" but that NASA mades some sort of original breakthrough that lead to spinoffs by others. But I don't see that either. It seems to be more the other way around.]

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No, NASA did not invent MRI technology, but it has contributed to its advances over the years, and elements of NASA technology have been incorporated into MRI techniques..
[The Jet Propulsion Laboratory developed the technology known as digital image processing to allow computer enhancement of Moon pictures. ]

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Did NASA invent barcodes, quartz clocks, or smoke detectors?
Barcodes were not invented by NASA. NASA developed a special type of barcode for inventory of space shuttle and other space system components that could endure harsh environments, but this should not be mistakened for the original barcode.…. Similarly, NASA was not the first to use quartz as a piezoelectric material for timekeeping. The first quartz clock dates back to 1927. However in the late 1960s, NASA partnered with a company to make a highly accurate quartz clock. ...Further, NASA did not invent the smoke detector.
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Are Tang, Teflon, and Velcro NASA spinoffs?
Tang, Teflon, and Velcro, are not spinoffs of the Space Program. General Foods developed Tang in 1957, and it has been on supermarket shelves since 1959….NASA also raised the celebrity status of Teflon, a material invented for DuPont in 1938, when the Agency applied it to heat shields, space suits, and cargo hold liners. Velcro was used during the Apollo missions to anchor equipment for astronauts’ convenience in zero gravity situations. Although it is a Swiss invention from the 1940s, it has since been associated with the Space Program.
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