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Old 04-18-2011, 10:23 PM  
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Late night bullshit: trade the last 10 first rounders.

It doesn't have to be a good thread. It's a football thread.

2001 (traded to St. Louis for QB Trent Green)
2002 DT Ryan Sims, North Carolina
2003 RB Larry Johnson, Penn State
2004 (traded to Detroit for a 2nd and a 4th, which translated to DT Junior Siavii and WR Sammie Parker)
2005 LB Derrick Johnson, Texas
2006 DE/OLB Tamba Hali, Penn State
2007 WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU
2008 DE/DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
2009 DE Tyson Jackson, LSU
2010 SS Eric Berry, Tennessee
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:24 PM   #2
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2001 (traded to St. Louis for QB Trent Green) A
2002 DT Ryan Sims, North Carolina F
2003 RB Larry Johnson, Penn State B
2004 (traded to Detroit for a 2nd and a 4th, which translated to DT Junior Siavii and WR Sammie Parker) F
2005 LB Derrick Johnson, Texas B
2006 DE/OLB Tamba Hali, Penn State A
2007 WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU A
2008 DE/DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU B
2009 DE Tyson Jackson, LSU D
2010 SS Eric Berry, Tennessee B
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:27 PM   #3
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:27 PM   #4
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I don't know who you could have had instead of Larry Johnson (Polamalu?), but I'd give that one an A.

He didn't turn into a complete failure for some time. It was a nice pick.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:39 PM   #5
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Sims did a lot more in his second year than Jackson did. He also excelled at being just a "guy", and he did it at a later pick than Jackson did, and he was thought to be worthy of the pick, not hailed as a universal reach.

34 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 INT

Jackson in 2010:

31 tackles, 1 sack, 0 FF, 0 INT

Jackson hasn't just been bad, he's been bad relative to Ryan Sims.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:40 PM   #6
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Didn't jackson miss some games due to injury?
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:42 PM   #7
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It doesn't have to be a good thread. It's a football thread.

2001 (traded to St. Louis for QB Trent Green) B-
2002 DT Ryan Sims, North Carolina F
2003 RB Larry Johnson, Penn State B+
2004 (traded to Detroit for a 2nd and a 4th, which translated to DT Junior Siavii and WR Sammie Parker) F
2005 LB Derrick Johnson, Texas B-
2006 DE/OLB Tamba Hali, Penn State A-
2007 WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU A-
2008 DE/DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU B-
2009 DE Tyson Jackson, LSU F-
2010 SS Eric Berry, Tennessee A
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:43 PM   #8
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Sims did a lot more in his second year than Jackson did. He also excelled at being just a "guy", and he did it at a later pick than Jackson did, and he was thought to be worthy of the pick, not hailed as a universal reach.

34 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 INT

Jackson in 2010:

31 tackles, 1 sack, 0 FF, 0 INT

Jackson hasn't just been bad, he's been bad relative to Ryan Sims.
I would agree except for one thing. Sims played in a 4-3, jackson 3-4
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:43 PM   #9
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Yep hamas. Sims played 16 games in year two.

Jackson played in 12 .
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:44 PM   #10
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Didn't jackson miss some games due to injury?
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I actually beautified TJ's stats a little. He had 19 solo tackles and 12 assists.
Sims had 34 solos and 4 assists.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:44 PM   #11
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2001 (traded to St. Louis for QB Trent Green) - Undo trade and draft DE Marcus Stroud
2002 DT Ryan Sims, North Carolina - Undo trade with Dallas and draft DT John Henderson
2003 RB Larry Johnson, Penn State - Undo trade with Pitt and draft S Troy Polamalu
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2007 WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU - Cannot be improved on
2008 DE/DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU - Draft Jerod Mayo
2009 DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - Draft Michael Crabtree
2010 SS Eric Berry, Tennessee - Cannot be improved on

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2002 DT Ryan Sims, North Carolina - F
2003 RB Larry Johnson, Penn State - B+
2004 (traded to Detroit for a 2nd and a 4th, which translated to DT Junior Siavii and WR Sammie Parker) - F
2005 LB Derrick Johnson, Texas - B-
2006 DE/OLB Tamba Hali, Penn State - A-
2007 WR Dwayne Bowe, LSU - A
2008 DE/DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU - C
2009 DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - D
2010 SS Eric Berry, Tennessee - A
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:46 PM   #12
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I would agree except for one thing. Sims played in a 4-3, jackson 3-4
Which might make sense, except for the fact that guys playing the same position as Jackson had 7 sacks last year (Gilberry) or 69 tackles (Dorsey).

It's obvious that some guys can impact the game from that position.
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You'd really want the Chiefs to draft Stroud instead of trading for Green?
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:49 PM   #14
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Which might make sense, except for the fact that guys playing the same position as Jackson had 7 sacks last year (Gilberry) or 69 tackles (Dorsey).

It's obvious that some guys can impact the game from that position.
I dunno. I'll wait for year 3. I go on record as saying if after the 3rd year he doesn't improve dramatically then ya, f-.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:50 PM   #15
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I dunno. I'll wait for year 3. I go on record as saying if after the 3rd year he doesn't improve dramatically then ya, f-.
That's fair, too.
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