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Old 04-21-2011, 03:27 PM  
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Mary not a virgin anymore?

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The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, meanwhile, has thoroughly revised the Old Testament in its New American Bible, similarly changing many generic references to "mankind" in favor of gender neutrality. It also adopted language intended to "more clearly express the meaning of the original," it said — like changing "booty" to "plunder" or "spoils of war," because "booty" has a different, decidedly unbiblical meaning nowadays.

Most controversial is its revision of Isaiah 7:14 to predict that the messiah will be born to a "young woman," not to a "virgin," a characterization that some critics say casts doubt on the miraculous nature of Jesus' birth.

The conference of bishops explained that it had concluded that the original Hebrew ("almah") more accurately meant "maiden" or "young woman" and pointed out that several other modern translations agree, including the Revised Standard Version, the monumental 1950s translation that was the basis for many of the Protestant revisions in use today.

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Old 04-21-2011, 03:28 PM   #2
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:30 PM   #3
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No it won't....to deny the take away the virgin birth is to essentially take away the divinity of Christ IMO. One of the most important prophecies of Isaiah (IIRC) was the virgin birth. Again JMO...
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:36 PM   #4
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The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, meanwhile, has thoroughly revised the Old Testament in its New American Bible, similarly changing many generic references to "mankind" in favor of gender neutrality. It also adopted language intended to "more clearly express the meaning of the original," it said — like changing "booty" to "plunder" or "spoils of war," because "booty" has a different, decidedly unbiblical meaning nowadays.

Most controversial is its revision of Isaiah 7:14 to predict that the messiah will be born to a "young woman," not to a "virgin," a characterization that some critics say casts doubt on the miraculous nature of Jesus' birth.

The conference of bishops explained that it had concluded that the original Hebrew ("almah") more accurately meant "maiden" or "young woman" and pointed out that several other modern translations agree, including the Revised Standard Version, the monumental 1950s translation that was the basis for many of the Protestant revisions in use today.

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Did anyone else giggle a little when they read "booty"?
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:42 PM   #5
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:48 PM   #6
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The conference of bishops explained that it had concluded that the original Hebrew ("almah") more accurately meant "maiden" or "young woman" and pointed out that several other modern translations agree, including the Revised Standard Version, the monumental 1950s translation that was the basis for many of the Protestant revisions in use today.
i think the bishops are ignorant.
a bunch of jewish hebrew israelite scholars translated isaiah to greek several hundred years before christ, and they used the greek word for virgin to translate that hebrew word. they just might know a little more about what that word meant in their culture/time than modern fogies today
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:56 PM   #7
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i think the bishops are ignorant.
a bunch of jewish hebrew israelite scholars translated isaiah to greek several hundred years before christ, and they used the greek word for virgin to translate that hebrew word. they just might know a little more about what that word meant in their culture/time than modern fogies today
Virgin didn't have as tight a meaning then as it does now, though.

did I really say that?
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:05 PM   #8
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:07 PM   #9
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That was one I could never wrap my head around.....Virgin Mary, wife of Joseph.

I see only three scenarios for that to be true:

1) She was butt ugly
2) Joseph lost a bet
3) Joseph was gay and just hadn't come out yet

I'm sure someone here will straighten me out but because Catechism was forced upon me at age 6, on Saturday's I might add, I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention.
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:37 PM   #11
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Mary being a virgin is the single most important element of Christ's birth. Mary must be a virgin because if she was not there is no way anybody can know for sure she was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit is a important fact to our salvation. This had to be accomplish through a virgin so no doubt can be cast about Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit.

The reason came to earth the first time was to offer himself as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for our sins. To do this Jesus had to be fully man and fully God. If Jesus was conceived through natural means that would mean he was only a man. This would mean he would have had a sinful nature and could only die for his own sins and would not be able to die for the sins of mankind.
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Color me shocked that people out there want to cast doubt upon Jesus origins. That's new, never happened before, probably won't ever happen again.
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Wait people are just now realizing this? I always knew 'burning bush' was bible code for the first STD.
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