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Old 05-02-2011, 06:46 PM  
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Have we been presented any actual evidence that Osama was murdered and dumped at sea within 24 hours?
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:48 PM   #2
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Video of Osama bin Laden's dead body being dropped into the North Arabian Sea from the USS Carl Vinson early this morning will be made public, according to officials.

The 40-minute ceremony, and perhaps photos of his corpse, will be released "cautiously," according to The Associated Press, citing two Pentagon officials.

The world's most notorious terrorist did not receive a customary Islamic burial as he was slipped into the North Arabian Sea today when no others countries would accept his body, according to experts in Muslim funeral rites.

"Dumping the body into the sea is not part of any Islamic ritual," said Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and a physician of internal medicine. "Koranic scripture says God created him and he must return to the earth."

U.S. officials told ABC News that the last thing they wanted was to create a burial place which could become a terrorist shrine. To avoid that, bin Laden was buried at sea.

Deputy National Security Advisor John Brennan said earlier today that the administration would likely release an image of bin Laden's body. He added that they would do so carefully as, "We don't want to do anything to compromise our ability to be successful the next time we get one of these guys and take him off the battlefield," he said.

Complete coverage of the death of bin Laden.

The corpse was taken to the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, officials told ABC News. The ceremony, done according to Islamic law, began about 1:10 a.m. today EST and lasted about 45 minutes, according to officials.
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Traditional washing of the body was followed by wrapping in white sheets. A military officer read religious remarks that were translated by a native Arabic speaker, then bin Laden was eased into the sea.

Officials said no other alternatives were available.

"We are ensuring that it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition," an administration official said. "This is something that we take very seriously. And so therefore this is being handled in an appropriate manner."

It is rare, but when a body must be buried at sea, there are rules, according to Al Islam online.

The body should be lowered into the water, "in a vessel of clay or a weight tied to its feet," and as far as possible, it should "not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by sea predators."

Tradition dictates that the body is washed by Muslim men and a funeral prayer is said, then it is buried as soon as possible, usually within 24 hours of death. The body is wrapped in a shroud of white cloth and the face is moved toward Mecca. The remains are always buried in the earth.

Similar to the orthodox Jewish tradition, bodies cannot be embalmed or in any way preserved and the coffin, if used, must be wooden.

Cremation is prohibited, because it is considered disrespectful, and unless a person died in an accident at sea, they would never be thrown in the water, according to Dr. Muzamil Siddiqi, chairman of the Fiqh Council of North America and a scholar on the legal systems of Islam.

"They don't even have a casket -- the body is in the ground," he said. "After a person dies, the body is treated like any other human being. We don't do a retaliation on the dead body."

Scholars say that even those who are criminals and murderers are given the Islamic rite of burial.

"Even those who are executed have a proper burial given to them," Siddiqi said. "It is strictly forbade any mutilation -- even of the enemy's body."

God reckons with a person's deeds in the afterlife on judgment day, he said.

"This is not a normal procedure," Siddiqi said. "But if scholars in Pakistan said this is OK, it's OK."

Sources told ABC News that President Obama authorized the bombing of a compound outside Islamabad in Pakistan last March, but worried about collateral damage and wanted evidence of bin Laden's body and DNA evidence.

No photos have been released.

Instead, he authorized a daring operation for ground troops to enter the compound low to the ground and undetected. It was scheduled for Friday afternoon, but because of weather, was postponed until Sunday.
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:50 PM   #3
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:50 PM   #4
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That's what they put on the web. The actual document will be inspected by a handful of folks, just like his earlier Certification. You will never have it in your hands. You're going to have to trust somebody.
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:52 PM   #5
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:53 PM   #6
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:53 PM   #7
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I haven't seen any photos or anything. But I haven't clicked on any of the links I've seen that claim it's Bin Laden dead. I don't really like seeing people with bullet holes in them.
I can't imagine why they'd lie, though. It would be the worst if all of a sudden he popped up alive, and kind of bad if it came out they still had his body for some reason.
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Old 05-02-2011, 06:57 PM   #8
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:19 PM   #9
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Obama can get Osama but he can't get his birth certificate inside of three years. Fascinating man this Obama.
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:24 PM   #10
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Obama can get Osama but he can't get his birth certificate inside of three years. Fascinating man this Obama.
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:30 PM   #11
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This was a well thought out plan. Its got to bother the uber religious muslims knowing OBL is bobbing somewhere off the bottom of the ocean instead of in the ground where they can bow down and give tribute.
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:15 PM   #12
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:34 PM   #13
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U.S. officials told ABC News that the last thing they wanted was to create a burial place which could become a terrorist shrine. To avoid that, bin Laden was buried at sea.
Good choice.
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:44 PM   #14
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The real question is: Have we presented any evidence that UBL has had a pulse after 2002?
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The real question is: Have we presented any evidence that UBL has had a pulse after 2002?
Well Dick Cheney hasn't had a pulse every since they put that continuous pump thing on him so that question might be irrelevant.
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