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Old 06-18-2011, 02:14 PM  
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Best active NFL player without a ring?

I caught about 10 seconds of some sports talk show yesterday, and they were asking if Donovan McNabb is the best current player to not win a ring. I don't think he's even close, but I liked the question.

I'd go with Tomlinson. Tony G. came to mind, but I don't think he's top 10. Who's on the list?
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:09 AM   #61
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On the Top 100 list of 2011 on NFL Network, the NFL Players had him at #46 (probably the #3 current TE).


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-top100-2011

On the All time top 100 list on NFL Network they had him at #45, as the 45th best player of all time, between Mel Blount and Roger Staubach, both Hall of Famers, of course.

http://top100.nfl.com/all-time-100


I know he is the best of all time.

But, there are others that don't think very highly of Tony G.

They had Jackie Smith rated above Tony......
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Old 06-19-2011, 09:18 AM   #62
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Who the hell talks about tight ends and uses how many "rings" they've won as if it's relevant? Just dumb.
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Old 06-19-2011, 09:25 AM   #63
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Who the hell talks about tight ends and uses how many "rings" they've won as if it's relevant? Just dumb.
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Old 06-19-2011, 10:01 AM   #64
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If based on past accomplishments I'd say it's a walkaway between Tomlinson and Gonzo...
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Old 06-19-2011, 10:46 AM   #65
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Old 06-19-2011, 10:48 AM   #66
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So they're going to throw to Gonzo this year?...
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Old 06-19-2011, 11:08 AM   #67
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So why not? The player should be able to choose.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:21 PM   #68
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So why not? The player should be able to choose.
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The players Bust is on display with the team or teams he played for along with dates. The HoF is about personal achievement, that's why there is no specific team affiliation when they enter.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:23 PM   #69
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:09 PM   #70
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Who the hell talks about tight ends and uses how many "rings" they've won as if it's relevant? Just dumb.
I completely agree rings should have no prevalence to who and who doesn't get into the Hall first. Unfortuntately to the people who vote they seem to. Hence why Marshall Faulk (maybe the 6th-10th best running back ever) got in first ballot last year and Willie Roaf (the great LT to ever play the game) did not. Glamour postions help also.

It's BS, but it is what it is. The Willie Roaf snub makes me want to vomit all over not only the Hall Of Fame voters, but the MVP voters as well.

My reason for the latter? How about Priest Holmes breaking the TD record on a 13-3 first round bye team getting snubbed for Steve McNair who didn't come close to breaking anything and furthermore played on a team that didn't even win their division. Also that year Jamal Lewis received more votes than Priest for breaking 2000 Yds. OK, fine, so yards matter more than TD's to the voters. Then why, THE VERY NEXT year does Peyton take home the MVP practically unanimously for breaking the passing TD record even though Dante Culpepper threw for almost 1000 yds more than Peyton. In 2003 Yds were more important, then in 2004 Td's were more important.

I personally believe it's cause Peyton plays the game and wh*res himself out every chance he gets and is a company man who asks "how high?" every time the leauge asks him to jump. It's sickening to me that acutal play comes second to PR skills when it comes to the Hall of Fame and MVP voters but it is what it is.
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:27 PM   #71
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Then why, THE VERY NEXT year does Peyton take home the MVP practically unanimously for breaking the passing TD record even though Dante Culpepper threw for almost 1000 yds more than Peyton.
160 yards is not "almost 1000 yards". Peyton threw 10 more TDs, 1 fewer INT, and 160 fewer yards while winning 4 more games than the Vikings.

How are you trying to make an argument 7 years after the fact that a 6-10 QB should have won the MVP over Peyton Manning in the year that Manning had the best season in NFL history?
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:03 PM   #72
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How are you trying to make an argument 7 years after the fact that a 6-10 QB should have won the MVP over Peyton Manning in the year that Manning had the best season in NFL history?

The best year a QB ever had was Brady's 2007 season.
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:19 PM   #73
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No, for some reason I thought Culpepper threw for way more than that in 04. Doesn't change the fact that Culpepper threw for more yards, and the Vikings made the playoffs that year and won a game, they weren't 6-10
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No, for some reason I thought Culpepper threw for way more than that in 04. Doesn't change the fact that Culpepper threw for more yards, and the Vikings made the playoffs that year and won a game, they weren't 6-10
I looked at the wrong season for the records. Indy was 12-4. Minnesota was 8-8.
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I know this might be the homer in me, but how does Steven Jackson not belong in the top 10 in a list like this?

He's had ove 1,000+ rushing yards for six straight seasons. He had one of his better seasons on the worst team he's played on. He led the NFC in rushing that year.
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