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Old 03-26-2013, 05:22 PM  
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The missing debate on gun control

I ask this of everyone I meet now who is pro-gun control; why are we not hearing about stiffer penalties for gun related crimes? Why are we singling out the least used weapon in gun crimes?

The first question is the one I want to see anwered the most. Why do we hear nothing but "ban, ban, ban" but we don't hear "increased penalities for gun related crimes"?


Why is the President and his ilk so quick to take from those who have done no wrong instead of increasing the punishment for those who have?

Perhaps there have been some spatterings of this but I have not heard it. I didn't hear it in NY. I didn't hear it in CO. I'm not hearing it from CA.

What are we hearing? You cannot own this. "You cannot own that. It's a felony if you own this. It's a felony if you own that."
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Old 03-26-2013, 05:30 PM   #2
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:05 PM   #3
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Not really pertinent to your topic but it does have some interesting perspective on who we are as americans and the raging argument of gun control.

Its about 25 minutes long but I highly encourage everyone to listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIGzj6eIwWU
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:36 PM   #4
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Death penalty for traffic violations would clean up society quick. Get on it Obama.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:59 PM   #5
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Stop talking common sense. There isn't a place for it in our society anymore.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:00 PM   #6
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Death penalty for traffic violations would clean up society quick. Get on it Obama.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:10 PM   #7
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I guess you haven't been actually reading my posts on this subject. I have stated many many times there should be mandatory 10 year prison sentences for illegal gun purchases.

Of course that means you have to have universal background checks which is a no-brainer IMVHO.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:45 PM   #8
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I think they passed laws awhile back making it illegal to commit suicide if you are guilty of mass murder, making it punishible by the death penalty.

In other words if you kill yourself and get caught you're screwed.
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Old 03-26-2013, 07:59 PM   #9
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I'm all for tougher penalties when using a gun in a crime. It wouldn't be worth 10 years of your life to go rob a 7-11 of $90 and a carton of smokes.

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Old 03-26-2013, 08:30 PM   #10
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I guess you haven't been actually reading my posts on this subject. I have stated many many times there should be mandatory 10 year prison sentences for illegal gun purchases.

Of course that means you have to have universal background checks which is a no-brainer IMVHO.
I guess you didn't read my response to you the other day where I posted statistics that showed the background checks resulted in very few bad guys being caught and sentenced.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:33 PM   #11
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I guess you didn't read my response to you the other day where I posted statistics that showed the background checks resulted in very few bad guys being caught and sentenced.
....according to the National Criminal Justice Reference Service (NCJRS), in 2010 of the 6 million Americans who attempted to buy a gun, about 76,000 were denied. Of those, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) referred 4,732 cases for prosecution. Of these, 44 people were prosecuted and 13 were punished.

(From the article I posted)
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:35 PM   #12
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....according to the National Criminal Justice Reference Service (NCJRS), in 2010 of the 6 million Americans who attempted to buy a gun, about 76,000 were denied. Of those, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) referred 4,732 cases for prosecution. Of these, 44 people were prosecuted and 13 were punished.

(From the article I posted)
We were obviously using the same report.
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We were obviously using the same report.
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Old 03-26-2013, 09:21 PM   #14
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I guess you didn't read my response to you the other day where I posted statistics that showed the background checks resulted in very few bad guys being caught and sentenced.
That is why background checks need to be universal, mandatory registration of firearms and mandatory sentences. Then when they get busted they go to jail for a very long time and prosecutors\defense attorney's can't make deals.
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That is why background checks need to be universal, mandatory registration of firearms and mandatory sentences. Then when they get busted they go to jail for a very long time and prosecutors\defense attorney's can't make deals.
JFC. Those stats from 2010 stated that the denials accounted for 1.2% of the over 6 million checks. Now, for the sake of discussion we will forget how few of those resulted in actual arrests and convictions. We will say that the entire 1.2% were bad guys trying to get their hands on guns they shouldn't have. So now, what stands out about that number? Maybe the fact that 98.8% of the bad guys WENT SOME WHERE OTHER THAN THE LOCAL GUN STORE.

This MANDATORY universal background check is a farce. You can say it is mandatory but, do you really think your average black market arms dealer is a good enough citizen to call in a check before he sells to someone? Good luck with that.

You won't even get most private sellers to phone this shit in. No way in way the bad guys do.
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