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Old 07-12-2011, 12:14 PM  
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Ron Paul will not seek re-election

I hate to be the Paul-bearer of bad news for some of you, but
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:28 PM   #46
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oh i see. i must have confused him with another "Republican" governor that implemented a state-wide healthcare scheme thus growing the size of government and erecting additional barriers between citizens and truly free markets.
Try reading the article. Oh wait, you don't even have to do that, because I spoon fed it to you in the original post.

Allow me to spoon feed it to you again. This time I won't put it in a "quote" box, since that apparently confused you the first time.
The difference is that Romney’s plan did not raise taxes on individuals or businesses, didn’t cut Medicare, didn’t include “public options” or raise spending by a trillion dollars, and it didn’t impose insurance price controls. Romney’s plan made no attempt to take over health care. The Massachusetts legislation was a scant 70 pages long, compared to Obamacare’s gargantuan 2,000-page maze of regulation.

Perhaps most importantly, Romney’s plan is a state plan, not a one-size-fits-all federal usurpation of a power constitutionally reserved to the states. States should be free to adopt reforms that work for them. They can borrow the best ideas from one another. The federal government’s role is to be flexible about how their share of health-care dollars may be spent.
There is a difference between a 70-page plan that doesn't raise taxes, doesn't cut Medicare, and doesn't raise spending by a trillion dollars versus a 2,000 page plan that does.

The plans are not the same. You could actually read Romney's plan if you chose to. Nobody has ever read the entire 2,000 page Obamacare plan.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:31 PM   #47
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Mitt Romney raised taxes as Gov. by half a billion dollars. Brainiac doesn't know what he's talking about nor do most who support Romney. Buyers remorse later down the road for sure.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:35 PM   #48
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I think he's making the right call here. can't stay upright forever, it's now or never. He has more momentum than ever, whatever that's worth, I don't know. Likely nothing since america seems enamored with "the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan" look. If he made it as the republican nominee, I'd vote for him.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:45 PM   #49
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Mitt Romney raised taxes as Gov. by half a billion dollars. Brainiac doesn't know what he's talking about nor do most who support Romney. Buyers remorse later down the road for sure.
Actually, you are wrong. He didn't raise taxes. He raised $400 million by increasing various user fees, and he raised another $150 million by closing corporate tax loopholes.

He never raised tax rates. He closed loopholes. That's what a lot of people recommend on a national scale.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt...Tax_Reform.htm
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:47 PM   #50
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i guess your state doesn't have to raise taxes when they're only footing 18% of the $2.12B bill...

it comes back to Romney claiming the mantle of "conservatism", yet acting like dealer pushing government dependence by mandating coverage. you can't mandate that your citizens purchase a product and then turn around and claim to be for life, liberty, and apple pie.

either he's a fan of bigger government or he's not. but you don't get to run around saying you want the government out of people's lives, except when it comes to healthcare. or except when it comes to marriage. or except when it comes to recreational drug use. or except when it comes to...

so anyway...i've still not heard what's so great about this guy other than his fantastic hair.
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If you think the 2010 elections where you Marxist Dems got shellacked was bad, get ready for the American civilians version of our D-day at the polls to save this country come this Nov of 2012 !!

Romney will win in a landslide 6-10pt victory. Count on it !!!

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Old 07-12-2011, 09:51 PM   #51
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gawddamn. i'm scared shitless that this guy is gonna win the republican nomination. i might be more scared that he could beat obama...

then again, there might not be a dime's worth of difference anyway.
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If you think the 2010 elections where you Marxist Dems got shellacked was bad, get ready for the American civilians version of our D-day at the polls to save this country come this Nov of 2012 !!

Romney will win in a landslide 6-10pt victory. Count on it !!!

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Old 07-12-2011, 09:53 PM   #52
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Actually, you are wrong. He didn't raise taxes. He raised $400 million by increasing various user fees, and he raised another $150 million by closing corporate tax loopholes.

He never raised tax rates. He closed loopholes. That's what a lot of people recommend on a national scale.
Wrong.

"In 2006, Romney enacted a health-reform package strikingly similar to what Democrats are pushing through Congress, including individual and employer mandates, private health-insurance subsidies, broader Medicaid eligibility and a new health-insurance “exchange.” Lately, Massachusetts officials have been forced to raise taxes and cancel some residents’ coverage to pay for it all. Local headlines are decrying “the forbidding arithmetic of health-care reform.”

"Mitt Romney effectively raised gas taxes on every single motorist in Massachusetts, and in 2003 said he was open to an increase in the federal gas tax."
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:56 PM   #53
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If anyone needed proof that this group is nothing more than mental masterbation the so called "conservatives" who attack Obama now defending Romney are proof.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:56 PM   #54
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i guess your state doesn't have to raise taxes when they're only footing 18% of the $2.12B bill...

it comes back to Romney claiming the mantle of "conservatism", yet acting like dealer pushing government dependence by mandating coverage. you can't mandate that your citizens purchase a product and then turn around and claim to be for life, liberty, and apple pie.

either he's a fan of bigger government or he's not. but you don't get to run around saying you want the government out of people's lives, except when it comes to healthcare. or except when it comes to marriage. or except when it comes to recreational drug use. or except when it comes to...

so anyway...i've still not heard what's so great about this guy other than his fantastic hair.
If you're a Tea Party member and a social conservative, then Romney is definitely not the the candidate for you.

If you're a bleeding heart liberal Democrat, then Romney isn't your candidate either.

But if you're fiscally conservative and you abhor the idea of right-wing zealots imposing their religious beliefs on you, then Romney just might be the candidate for you. Tea Partiers call him a RINO, Democrats call him a typical Republican.

He has extensive executive experience both in business and in government. He's not the most dynamic speaker around, and Romneycare will indeed hurt him. But he implemented Romneycare at the state level, which is far different from implementing Obamacare on a national level.
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:58 PM   #55
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Wrong.

"In 2006, Romney enacted a health-reform package strikingly similar to what Democrats are pushing through Congress, including individual and employer mandates, private health-insurance subsidies, broader Medicaid eligibility and a new health-insurance “exchange.” Lately, Massachusetts officials have been forced to raise taxes and cancel some residents’ coverage to pay for it all. Local headlines are decrying “the forbidding arithmetic of health-care reform.”

"Mitt Romney effectively raised gas taxes on every single motorist in Massachusetts, and in 2003 said he was open to an increase in the federal gas tax."
I included a link to the articles I quoted so that you can read them yourself and decide for yourself whether or not they are accurate or credible.

It would be nice if you had done the same.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:03 PM   #56
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:05 PM   #57
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I included a link to the articles I quoted so that you can read them yourself and decide for yourself whether or not they are accurate or credible.

It would be nice if you had done the same.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:13 PM   #58
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Did you actually watch the video? He said if you can afford to buy health insurance but you choose not to, then you should have to pay your own way when you need health care.

I'm trying to understand what is wrong with that position.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:18 PM   #59
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Your article states that Romneycare was pretty much a failure. Few people will argue that. The difference is that Romneycare was an experiment that was done at the state level, where it's appropriate to do things like that. There's a helluva difference between that and having the federal government take over health care for all 50 states.

I've already listed some of the major differences between Romneycare and Obamacare twice in this thread, but I'll say one thing one more time: There is no way that you can say that a 70 page plan and a 2,000 page plan are essentially the same thing. They're not.
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:23 PM   #60
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Did you actually watch the video? He said if you can afford to buy health insurance but you choose not to, then you should have to pay your own way when you need health care.

I'm trying to understand what is wrong with that position.
How is it small government or conservative to have the government punish you for not buying health insurance?
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