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Old 07-17-2011, 07:25 PM  
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Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Sunday that communities have a right to ban Islamic mosques.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said protests and legal challenges to a planned mosque in Tennessee city are an example of local residents pushing back.

Cain said his view doesn't amount to religious discrimination because he says Muslims are trying to inject Shariah law into the U.S.

Shariah is a set of core principles that most Muslims recognize and a series of rulings from religious scholars. It covers many areas of life and different sects have different versions and interpretations of the code.

Asked if his view could lead any community to stand up in opposition to a proposed mosque, Cain replied, "They could say that." He pointed to opposition to the planned mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn., as an example.

"Let's go back to the fundamental issue that the people are basically saying that they are objecting to," Cain said. "They are objecting to the fact that Islam is both religion and (a) set of laws, Shariah law. That's the difference between any one of our other traditional religions where it's just about religious purposes.

"The people in the community know best. And I happen to side with the people in the community."

Cain's comments were denounced as "unconstitutional and un-American" by a spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"It's clear that Herman Cain has decided that he will score political points every time he bashes the Muslim community or its constitutional rights," council spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said in a phone interview.

Cain previously stirred controversy by saying that he would not want a Muslim bent on killing Americans in his administration.

Campaigning in Murfreesboro last week, Cain sided with mosque opponents.

"I happen to also know that it's not just about a religious mosque," he said Sunday. "There are other things going on based upon talking to the people closest to the problem. It's not a mosque for religious purposes. This is what the people are objecting to."

Hooper called the remarks "utter nonsense," saying Cain "seems to have hitched his wagon to the most extreme anti-Muslim bigots out there." He called on Republican leaders to repudiate Cain's comments.

"Each time you have someone who is regarded as a mainstream political leader expressing these kind of hate-filled views, it just fans the flames of anti-Muslim bigotry nationwide," he said. "And it gives legitimacy to intolerance and hatred. And he, of all people, should realize this, being African-American."

In Murfreesboro, the future new mosque has been the subject of protests and counter-protests in the city about 35 miles southeast of Nashville.

Opponents have used the hearings to argue that the mosque is part of a plot to expand Islamic extremism in the U.S.

Stephen Fotopulos, executive director of the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition, said Cain's comments "demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of the U.S. Constitution."

"And it's baffling that a man with designs on becoming the leader of this nation would so callously alienate over 3 million of its citizens," Fotopulos said.




I agree with Herman on this.
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:28 PM   #2
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:47 PM   #3
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Goodness! I've been misinterpreting the meaning of "freedom of religion" for years!
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:55 PM   #4
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Name me a Christian based religion that does have laws written within their belief that has to be carried out?
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:59 PM   #5
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This is very disappointing. I had hopes for Herman Cain before this, but this is hard to fathom.

I can understand being opposed to the Ground Zero mosque. That's a little too much like intentionally building a Baptist church on top of a known Indian burial ground. The people involved should have the sensitivity and decency to seek another site.

But to jump from that to being able to ban the construction of mosques just because you fear Sharia law?

Surely, Roy even you can see they way to prevent the imposition of Sharia law on our country is to cling tightly to that body of laws which we believe to be superior to Sharia...and those certainly include the laws protecting freedom of religion.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:05 PM   #6
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This is likely the first time Cain has gave an answer to a question other than saying "I don't know" or counting with his fingers.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:05 PM   #7
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Goodness! I've been misinterpreting the meaning of "freedom of religion" for years!
He is a hypocrite

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Old 07-17-2011, 08:09 PM   #8
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This is very disappointing. I had hopes for Herman Cain before this, but this is hard to fathom.

I can understand being opposed to the Ground Zero mosque. That's a little too much like intentionally building a Baptist church on top of a known Indian burial ground. The people involved should have the sensitivity and decency to seek another site.

But to jump from that to being able to ban the construction of mosques just because you fear Sharia law?

Surely, Roy even you can see they way to prevent the imposition of Sharia law on our country is to cling tightly to that body of laws which we believe to be superior to Sharia...and those certainly include the laws protecting freedom of religion.
On the face of it, it is disappointing. However, if those planning to build said mosque were going to only enforce sharia law on its property, and thus create a conflict with established local laws and constitutional rights, then I think the debate over it takes a different turn.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:21 PM   #9
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But to jump from that to being able to ban the construction of mosques just because you fear Sharia law?

Surely, Roy even you can see they way to prevent the imposition of Sharia law on our country is to cling tightly to that body of laws which we believe to be superior to Sharia...and those certainly include the laws protecting freedom of religion.

Are there Honor killings now with some Islamic people in this country ? Not all, but some ? Yes. It has been mentioned, the local buzz in this area is that many of the believers at this mosque live this way or have claimed to value living this way. I have relatives in Murfreesboro that keeps us up to speed on the local talk. Plus the fact, I'm not that too far away, it's within our TV viewing.

To deny the building for anything other reason would be wrong. But according to local people there, there is suppose to be a very strong case against the people behind.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:25 PM   #10
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On the face of it, it is disappointing. However, if those planning to build said mosque were going to only enforce sharia law on its property, and thus create a conflict with established local laws and constitutional rights, then I think the debate over it takes a different turn.
There is no conflict, there will be no conflict and anyone who is afraid of Sharia Law taking over in this country needs their head examined.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:29 PM   #11
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There is no conflict, there will be no conflict and anyone who is afraid of Sharia Law taking over in this country needs their head examined.
Why let it start? Weeds only start off as one weed. Then it spreads, etc.

BTA, why should we worry about some innocent Islamic girl that her daddy raises and kills her because she is living in the good old USA and wants to marry an American? I mean, it's what they believe in, right?

Wait, we have seen this before, a set of girls in Michigan and some in other states.

Please, Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:35 PM   #12
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There is no conflict, there will be no conflict and anyone who is afraid of Sharia Law taking over in this country needs their head examined.
I think you are right, but I also think that in a free society, you have a responsibility to know what is going on, and politically, Sharia is a tool that Muslims are using in other parts of the world, particularly Europe, to get their way. While I think that our system of government is superior to most of Europe, thus making it much less likely to happen here, I think one must be aware. Anything is possible.
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Why let it start? Weeds only start off as one weed. Then it spreads, etc.

BTA, why should we worry about some innocent Islamic girl that her daddy raises and kills her because she is living in the good old USA and wants to marry an American? I mean, it's what they believe in, right?

Wait, we have seen this before, a set of girls in Michigan and some in other states.

Please, Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
Let's grant that you're right and there is a secret society of 2000 or so Muslims in this country that want to infect our Constitution with Sharia law.

The fact that Cain is talking about this crap or calling it a threat when we have so much more important shit going on makes him a goddamn fool.

Remember, it's the economy, stupid.

Ron Paul will become president of the United States before Herman Cain, especially if Cain keeps talking like this is ****ing 2002.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:37 PM   #14
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And, on a side note, Herman Cain has now dropped to the bottom of my potential Presidential candidate list. His remarks were frankly "right wing nut jobish" in nature, and show a lack of knowledge and study on the subject of key constitutional rights.
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Why let it start? Weeds only start off as one weed. Then it spreads, etc.

BTA, why should we worry about some innocent Islamic girl that her daddy raises and kills her because she is living in the good old USA and wants to marry an American? I mean, it's what they believe in, right?

Wait, we have seen this before, a set of girls in Michigan and some in other states.

Please, Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
I worry about all murders in this country regardless of religious beliefs. If they want to kill their children or wife here in America they will pay the American price, mostly likely life in prison or death.

I really don't see much difference between a father killing his daughter in the name of religion and an American woman killing her daughter to go partying.
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