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Old 07-19-2011, 10:01 PM  
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Very good OP-ED.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/op...15krugman.html

July 14, 2011

Getting to Crazy

By PAUL KRUGMAN

There aren’t many positive aspects to the looming possibility of a U.S. debt default. But there has been, I have to admit, an element of comic relief — of the black-humor variety — in the spectacle of so many people who have been in denial suddenly waking up and smelling the crazy.

A number of commentators seem shocked at how unreasonable Republicans are being. “Has the G.O.P. gone insane?” they ask.

Why, yes, it has. But this isn’t something that just happened, it’s the culmination of a process that has been going on for decades. Anyone surprised by the extremism and irresponsibility now on display either hasn’t been paying attention, or has been deliberately turning a blind eye.

And may I say to those suddenly agonizing over the mental health of one of our two major parties: People like you bear some responsibility for that party’s current state.

Let’s talk for a minute about what Republican leaders are rejecting.

President Obama has made it clear that he’s willing to sign on to a deficit-reduction deal that consists overwhelmingly of spending cuts, and includes draconian cuts in key social programs, up to and including a rise in the age of Medicare eligibility. These are extraordinary concessions. As The Times’s Nate Silver points out, the president has offered deals that are far to the right of what the average American voter prefers — in fact, if anything, they’re a bit to the right of what the average Republican voter prefers!

Yet Republicans are saying no. Indeed, they’re threatening to force a U.S. default, and create an economic crisis, unless they get a completely one-sided deal. And this was entirely predictable.

First of all, the modern G.O.P. fundamentally does not accept the legitimacy of a Democratic presidency — any Democratic presidency. We saw that under Bill Clinton, and we saw it again as soon as Mr. Obama took office.

As a result, Republicans are automatically against anything the president wants, even if they have supported similar proposals in the past. Mitt Romney’s health care plan became a tyrannical assault on American freedom when put in place by that man in the White House. And the same logic applies to the proposed debt deals.

Put it this way: If a Republican president had managed to extract the kind of concessions on Medicare and Social Security that Mr. Obama is offering, it would have been considered a conservative triumph. But when those concessions come attached to minor increases in revenue, and more important, when they come from a Democratic president, the proposals become unacceptable plans to tax the life out of the U.S. economy.

Beyond that, voodoo economics has taken over the G.O.P.

Supply-side voodoo — which claims that tax cuts pay for themselves and/or that any rise in taxes would lead to economic collapse — has been a powerful force within the G.O.P. ever since Ronald Reagan embraced the concept of the Laffer curve. But the voodoo used to be contained. Reagan himself enacted significant tax increases, offsetting to a considerable extent his initial cuts.

And even the administration of former President George W. Bush refrained from making extravagant claims about tax-cut magic, at least in part for fear that making such claims would raise questions about the administration’s seriousness.

Recently, however, all restraint has vanished — indeed, it has been driven out of the party. Last year Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, asserted that the Bush tax cuts actually increased revenue — a claim completely at odds with the evidence — and also declared that this was “the view of virtually every Republican on that subject.” And it’s true: even Mr. Romney, widely regarded as the most sensible of the contenders for the 2012 presidential nomination, has endorsed the view that tax cuts can actually reduce the deficit.

Which brings me to the culpability of those who are only now facing up to the G.O.P.’s craziness.

Here’s the point: those within the G.O.P. who had misgivings about the embrace of tax-cut fanaticism might have made a stronger stand if there had been any indication that such fanaticism came with a price, if outsiders had been willing to condemn those who took irresponsible positions.

But there has been no such price. Mr. Bush squandered the surplus of the late Clinton years, yet prominent pundits pretend that the two parties share equal blame for our debt problems. Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, proposed a supposed deficit-reduction plan that included huge tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy, then received an award for fiscal responsibility.

So there has been no pressure on the G.O.P. to show any kind of responsibility, or even rationality — and sure enough, it has gone off the deep end. If you’re surprised, that means that you were part of the problem.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:05 PM   #2
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Wow! A biased article by PAUL KRUGMAN?? Who would have thunk it??
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:07 PM   #3
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I didn't go past the Paul Krugman part. Dude left crazy in his rear view years ago.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:15 PM   #4
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Nobel prize winning economist. I'd rather listen to what he has to say than say,.. Rush Limbaugh.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:20 PM   #5
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"Put it this way: If a Republican president had managed to extract the kind of concessions on Medicare and Social Security that Mr. Obama is offering, it would have been considered a conservative triumph. But when those concessions come attached to minor increases in revenue, and more important, when they come from a Democratic president, the proposals become unacceptable plans to tax the life out of the U.S. economy."

Well, yeah.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:23 PM   #6
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Nobel prize winning economist. I'd rather listen to what he has to say than say,.. Rush Limbaugh.
agree. Both are nuts. But does that mean you have suck up to Paul?
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:30 PM   #7
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Nobel prize winning economist. I'd rather listen to what he has to say than say,.. Rush Limbaugh.
Henry Kissinger has a Nobel. What's it for, now? Oh yeah. Peace.

**** the Nobel.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:34 PM   #8
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If Nobels ever meant anything, they sure as shit don't anymore.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:44 PM   #9
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Henry Kissinger has a Nobel. What's it for, now? Oh yeah. Peace.

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If Nobels ever meant anything, they sure as shit don't anymore.
They are a lot more viable in sciences than politics.

BTW, the Viet Nam Peace was a big deal in the early 70s and Kissinger was recognized for it.
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:54 PM   #10
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They are a lot more viable in sciences than politics.

BTW, the Viet Nam Peace was a big deal in the early 70s and Kissinger was recognized for it.
I'm old enough to remember 1973 quite well, thanks, and that one was as poorly awarded as Krugman's prize. Were you even in the States in '73?
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I'm sorry, conservatives in this thread, but this is a legitimate argument that has been made by countless sources in the media. Krugman's just done his rendition of this familiar song.

If you don't want to engage the argument because you think Kraaaazy Krugman has invented it out of his liberal anus, you need to either pull your head out of the sand and engage the argument, or stick your head deeper in the sand and sign up at Free Republic.

Or you can continue circle jerking in this thread to no discernable purpose, I suppose. I can see CB's got a head start.
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If you don't want to engage the argument because you think Kraaaazy Krugman has invented it out of his liberal anus...
I didn't read it. I've tasted the sea before. It's salty.
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:08 PM   #13
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I didn't read it. I've tasted the sea before. It's salty.
Well then welcome to the thread. Let the masturbation commence.
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:18 AM   #15
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So the Nobel is a benchmark of wisdom and genius then?

You must be one of those weird Mises Institute Ron Paul lovers
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