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Old 07-23-2011, 09:09 AM  
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Simple AC tips to help keep your cool this summer

Hey CP peeps, I'm willing to bet some of you have noticed it's freaking hot outside. And since I've spent the last year going to school for HVAC, I thought I'd share some things I've learned about air conditioning systems. If you don't think yours is operating properly, here are some simple things you can check out on your own.

First off, check your outside unit. On it you will find two copper tubes coming from the house and into the unit. Touch them both.

The larger one (low side), should be insulated and cold to the touch, similar to a can of beer coming out of the fridge. If it's warm, or frosted, it likely means that your refrigerant level is off. Call a professional.

The smaller one (high side) should be warm, but not uncomfortable to the touch. If it's hot enough that you can't leave your fingers on it, it very likely means that your condensing coil is dirty, and it can't properly release the heat that the system is trying to remove from your home, and it's not going to run efficiently ($$$$). It can also make the compressor run hotter than normal, thereby shortening its life (more $$$$).

If your coil is as dirty as the one pictured here



you can make a significant improvement in performance simply by shutting the system down and thoroughly hosing it off, but the most effective way to clean one is from the inside with a high-pressure spray tip since dirt, cotton from cottonwood trees and even lawn clippings can get embedded into the coil. This is also something that can be done yourself, but if you're not comfortable opening up the unit, call a pro to have it cleaned. Again, let me emphasize that the system needs to be SHUT OFF while doing this. The condenser should be cleaned at least once a year, and maybe more depending on the conditions.

Lastly, a few things on airflow, which is key to keeping your home cool.

Check the furnace filter. Does it look more like a throw rug than the filter you stuck in there six months ago? Time to change it out. In the summertime, I recommend the cheap, flimsy ones. While that super duper pleated hypo-allergenic $25 one that Paul Harvey recommended may do a better job of cleaning your air, it's only because it's letting less air through it. There are better ways to clean your air other than choking off your airflow.

Is your humidifier bypass (if equipped with one) closed? Check for a 6" round duct going into your humidifier. There should be a handle somewhere on it, or on the humidifier itself, and it should be marked "summer/winter" or "high/low". Turn it to the summer/low position, or if it's not marked, the handle should be perpendicular to the airflow. Having this open when the AC is running can kill your efficiency by as much as 25% on its own.

You also want to keep all your supply/return vents clear, and open. Your system is designed to move a certain amount of air, and closing off a bunch of vents isn't necessarily going to help keep the other rooms any cooler. If you notice significant differences in temperatures from room to room, try turning the thermostat to "Fan On". On that setting, the AC will still cycle normally as needed to maintain the desired temperature, but the fan will run continuously which may help keep all rooms a more consistent temperature.

Hopefully these suggestions help some of you, I know they've made a difference in my house.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:00 PM   #46
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I have had an argument with my co workers for some time, but I think its a bad idea to keep flipping the damn temp controll up and down all day long. Maybe flipping it up and down a few times a day is OK, but all day long, up, down, up, down in my opinion will break the damn thing. Its not my $$ so I probably should take the IDGF mode, but still.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:00 PM   #47
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Well that goes against everything I've been taught, which is a fan with x amount of power can move y amount of air through a z size duct, and anything else would require breaking the laws of physics.
AC units normally only move a fraction of the air through a pipe it is capable of. Of course my scenario might part your hair as you walked by the duct but the amount of air flowing through a duct is nowhere near what its capable of.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:02 PM   #48
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:03 PM   #49
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AC units normally only move a fraction of the air through a pipe it is capable of.
What? A/C units move no air.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:07 PM   #50
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AC units normally only move a fraction of the air through a pipe it is capable of. Of course my scenario might part your hair as you walked by the duct but the amount of air flowing through a duct is nowhere near what its capable of.
You're right that it's not the size of the duct that limits the amount of air moving through it. The speed of the fan is what does that.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:08 PM   #51
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Well yeah, the problem with that is you can't plant big trees. You have to plant small ones and wait for the damn things to grow.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:38 PM   #52
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Been having some AC issues. Excuse my explanation I don't know much about this stuff. Last summer our AC worked fine. Now this summer has been a mess. When I originally turned it on for the summer the fan wasn't working... so I got someone to come over and they got the fan running and the ac worked fine for awhile. I left town for a week so I shut it off and when I got back home and turned it on again it blew warm air...so I had someone come over again and they got it running fine again. And when I say fine I mean the AC blew constantly and never shut off but the house was cool atleast. Well eventually it started to blow warm/very weak again and I noticed the lines were freezing inside and outside the house. So I shut off the ac, ran the fan to let them thaw out and changed the filter. The pipes still froze up after I turned the ac on again. So I said screw it and got a totally new AC unit. However the vents upstairs work very poorly and one of them that previously worked good just totally quit blowing. So the thermostat is set on 74 and it stays about 75 degrees upstairs and runs constantly and it feels like it's 65 or so in the basement. Going to be a nice energy bill.
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:45 PM   #54
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Not true. If you think of it in simplistic terms imagine a 5 ton AC unit that has to cool 3000 sq ft. Now imagine all ducts are closed off but one 500 sq foot room (with the thermostat there). It will cool that room much quicker and cycle off much faster (other considerations of wear and tear aside for the moment).

Now is it safe and is it worth the savings is an entirely different argument but all things being equal smaller sq footage = energy savings.
No this will not work like you are thinking at all.
Blower are sized by the size of the system that they are put into.
If you have a 5 ton Air Handler it has a motor and a blower wheel sized to move 2000 cfm's of air. If you restrict or block off half of the registers in your home it will make the blower slow down because it can't move that air. Then that air becomes a restriction. When the blower slows down it won't even be able to pull half of the normal amount of air. Also when you do this and it can't move enough air across the coil and that will cause the coil to freeze up. Along with all of this you are making that motor work hard pulling more amps, costing your more energy, as well as the motor uses that air to keep itself cool.
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AC units normally only move a fraction of the air through a pipe it is capable of. Of course my scenario might part your hair as you walked by the duct but the amount of air flowing through a duct is nowhere near what its capable of.
Well there again if the duct work is sized properly for the system by the installer then there won't be much of a fraction left over. If someone oversizes duct you will not get much air flow into your home. And your effenciency is no good.
And it won't "part your hair" if you close off that extreme amount because the blower will not be able to move that much anymore.
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You're right that it's not the size of the duct that limits the amount of air moving through it. The speed of the fan is what does that.
This is not true. Duct is like a water line you are only going to get so much air through it.
Meaning you can't hook a piece of 10" duct right off the plenum box of a 5 ton unit and think it will blow just fine. 10" duct will not move that much air. The speed of the blower motor is ony in rpm's that the motor will turn. The speed will only affect the fps that the air will travel. Not the volume of air.
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Been having some AC issues. Excuse my explanation I don't know much about this stuff. Last summer our AC worked fine. Now this summer has been a mess. When I originally turned it on for the summer the fan wasn't working... so I got someone to come over and they got the fan running and the ac worked fine for awhile. I left town for a week so I shut it off and when I got back home and turned it on again it blew warm air...so I had someone come over again and they got it running fine again. And when I say fine I mean the AC blew constantly and never shut off but the house was cool atleast. Well eventually it started to blow warm/very weak again and I noticed the lines were freezing inside and outside the house. So I shut off the ac, ran the fan to let them thaw out and changed the filter. The pipes still froze up after I turned the ac on again. So I said screw it and got a totally new AC unit. However the vents upstairs work very poorly and one of them that previously worked good just totally quit blowing. So the thermostat is set on 74 and it stays about 75 degrees upstairs and runs constantly and it feels like it's 65 or so in the basement. Going to be a nice energy bill.
Sounds like on the first part of your story your evaperator, indoor coil, might of been dirty and or low of refrigerant.
If you have duct that is lined, insulated on the inside, you may have a piece of insulation that has come off or lose and it blocking the air from getting to the piece of duct that feeds that register.
Did you have a split system or a package unit?
Also you have to watch a lot of these companies. I know some that will sell you what they have in stock rather than get you the same sized unit as what they replaced.
If you had a 3 ton system. Did they replace it with a 2 ton unit? You will lose a lot of air that way.
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This is not true. Duct is like a water line you are only going to get so much air through it.
Meaning you can't hook a piece of 10" duct right off the plenum box of a 5 ton unit and think it will blow just fine. 10" duct will not move that much air. The speed of the blower motor is ony in rpm's that the motor will turn. The speed will only affect the fps that the air will travel. Not the volume of air.
Ah, we're starting to get into things that are covered in the installation class, and I haven't taken that yet. But a higher speed fan would screw up your temp drop over the coil so it wouldn't necessarily cool any faster anyway.
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Probably low on freon. Sometimes it doesnt get the inside cool enough and ends up freezing up. Call Bug he'll get you going or if you are here in KC I've got a guy thats good and pretty cheap.
I'm in Omaha, eight hours round trip travel time would make that service call pretty expensive.
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Ah, we're starting to get into things that are covered in the installation class, and I haven't taken that yet. But a higher speed fan would screw up your temp drop over the coil so it wouldn't necessarily cool any faster anyway.
This is true.
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