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Your Chance To Participate In A New Football Phenomenon (Sandbox Simulations)

I apologize if the mods think this is soliciting, and I guess it is, but at the same time it's beta testing a new product developed by long-time planeteers, and it's free.

cdcox and I have been developing a new football game for the thoughtful fan, where players build franchises and compete against each other. A description is below.

If you're interested, we're offering the game for free in Year 1 to Chiefsplanet members, with the goal of both giving the system a dry run and also hooking you like Phillip Morris. You can go to www.sandboxsimulations.com to sign up, and use the access code 6Lanier3.

Here's the overview:

Build and manage a full 53-player roster over multiple seasons, as an offseason activity to give you year-round football

Select your personnel to match your offensive and defensive scheme. Every position matters – even your blocking tight end.

Realistic and accurate simulations of league games based on head-to-head matchups against other teams in your league.


This is essentially a new concept in fantasy football that attempts to simulate as closely as possible the management of a real NFL franchise over a multi-year period. Unlike regular fantasy football, every position on the offense and defense contributes to your success or failure. On special teams, the punter, kicker, and kick returners matter.

In Sandbox Football you will build a team – an entire 53-man football team – via an initial draft, and will maintain it year after year in annual rookie drafts, trading periods, and free agency. You compete against teams in your league. In the first year of the game, before the start of the NFL season, you will build your roster by drafting veterans and rookies through separate drafts, and through trades with other teams in the league. Your roster is frozen at the beginning of the NFL season. During the real regular NFL season, you can focus on your traditional fantasy games and perhaps keep on eye on your Sandbox roster as our statistical models build the data on player performances. At the end of the regular NFL season, the Sandbox season begins. There will be 16 games in the season. In real time, the season will run about 8 weeks (2 alternate reality games per week).

Game outcomes will be simulated based on the performance of individual players during the just-completed NFL regular season. The simulations, developed by a PhD statistical expert, estimate how individual players will perform in the context of your alternate reality team competing head-to-head against other teams in the league and with the specific team that you have built. The simulations will consider the offensive and defensive schemes that you select. So you can build your roster to support a power running game or a high-flying passing attack. You can run a 3-4 or 4-3 base defense. You can run nickel formations or four-wide receiver sets. You can rotate your DL to keep them fresh.

The game is more about building a team than playing video games. So this isn't Madden, but you will have the ability to tweak your game plan to take the best advantage of your roster and the weaknesses of your opponent. Injuries are a factor in the game. If a player is unavailable during weeks 3 through 6 in the NFL, he is also unavailable during the same weeks in the alternate reality season. So roster depth matters. The game simulations are based on the most advanced statistics and the latest research regarding what matters in winning an NFL game. But, the outcomes of the games have a random component, just like real NFL games.

The calendar for the alternate reality league year will look something like this:
• Jan to Mid March: Alternate Reality regular season and playoffs.
• Mid-March to the beginning of NFL season: Roster building through trades, veteran draft (first year), free agent drafts (2nd year and beyond), and rookie draft.
• Beginning of NFL season to end of regular NFL season: Alternate reality league is dormant, but the NFL players are generating their performance stats for the up-coming AR league.
• Rinse and repeat.

Copyright Sandbox Simulations, all rights reserved.

We're still finalizing the cost structure, but this won't be an expensive game to play at all. It might range from a few bucks a year to $50 per year, depending on a few factors.

Year 1 will require a couple of days of drafting with rather high intensity, but we've got it set up where you can put your draft list together and do customized and automated drafting if you like.

So...go! Now! Time to get ready for the draft!




Note that we are still in beta testing, so things could change if we find problems in the system.


How Free Agency Works:

Free Agency will begin before the 2012 season after the rookie draft.

Our process is as follows for the 2012 season. In 2013 and beyond there will be minor changes as noted later.

1. We will unveil the list of available free agents so you can check out the talent pool.

2. If you look in "Standings", you will see that you have a salary account value of $1,300. You will use this to sign your veterans to contracts, sign your rookies to contracts, and (in a competitive bidding process) sign free agents to contracts.

The cost of a contract is as follows for players already on your roster (both veterans and rookies).

$0 - 1 season contract
$10 - 2 season contract
$22 - 3 season contract
$37 - 4 season contract
$55 - 5 season contract
$76 - 6 season contract
$100 - 7 season contract

You will sign your existing players to contracts using an interface that we will unveil shortly. If your 53-man roster is set you can spend your $1,300 on your current roster. However, it may be worthwhile to hold some money back so you can compete for free agents.

3. The free agency period begins.

Bidding for free agents will be open and competitive. As players come available, teams will be allowed to sign them if they are the high bidder. The contract length is automatically calculated by rounding down the bid to the chart below.

Contract Length (Seasons) Salary Points Bid
1 0 to 9
2 10 to 21
3 22 to 36
4 37 to 54
5 55 to 75
6 76 to 99
7 100 or more

For example, if you submit the winning bid for a player at a price of 25 salary points, that player becomes yours under a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 35 points and win, it’s also a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 38 points, it’s a 4-year contract. If you submit a bid for 120 points, it’s a 7-year contract.

For the 2012 free agency period, we will enforce the 53-man rule. You will need to cut down to 53 players before the free agency period starts, and if you sign a player to go above 53, you will need to cut a player to stay within the roster limit. NOTE: DON'T CUT YET UNLESS YOU WANT TO. WE'RE STILL FINALIZING THE SYSTEM AND WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS RULE WORKS IN 2012.

4. Ending Bidding and Ending Free Agency.

Bids on an individual player will begin once the first player places a bid. For the 2012 season that bid must be $1 or more. Bidding ends when the existing high bid had not been raised for 72 hours. At that point, the high-bid team is awarded the player under the contract terms described in Step 3.

The free agency period in 2012 will end once there have been no bids on any players for 72 hours.

5. Unused Salary Points

If you do not use all of your salary points in a given year, they will roll over from year to year. This is experimental and we'll have to see how it works. If it doesn't work, they'll expire each year, or maybe a portion of the points can roll over. Right now, assume they all roll over.

6. Salary Points and Roster Management

In the Sandbox system, salary points and the salary cap are used only for acquiring players. You will never have to track the number of salary points “on your roster” and you will never have to cut a player for salary cap reasons.

Additionally, you are not obligated to keep a player for the full length of his contract. You can cut him or trade him at any time. However, recognize that it’s a waste of salary points to cut or trade a player before the end of his contract. But it doesn't hamstring you going forward - it's just past money that you wasted.

7. Free Agency and Contract Length - Retaining Your Current Players

When a player reaches the end of their contract, they go back into the free agency pool and teams will bid for their services. You are eligible to bid on them to get them back, just like you can bid on any free agents.

There is one exception to the rule of free agents going into the free agency pool, as follows:

• At the end of the bidding process, you have the opportunity to re-sign your own players by outbidding the high bidder. Your bid must be the minimum points to increase their contract period by a year over the high bid. (Example: your player goes to free agency, and another team bids 50 points for him, which equates to a 4-year contract. You can keep the player by paying 55 points for him, which is the minimum amount for a 5-year contract.) If the high bidder offered a contract of 100 points or more (7-years), you can keep the player by bidding 10% more points than the high bid.

8. Free Agency and Trades

If you trade for a player, their contract length is a consideration. Trading for a player with 6 years left on his contract will give you his services for that amount of time (unless you cut him or trade him, or he retires). Trading for a player with 1 year left on his contract means that he’ll go back into the free agency pool at the end of the season. (Of course, you can still retain him via Step 7.)

9. Future Years

In future years, the process will be identical to that shown above, with the following exceptions.

a. Because you will have a lot of veteran players under contract, you won't need $1,300. You'll get a new annual allotment of signing dollars. We're still working on the exact amount, but it looks like it'll be between $500 and $600.

b. In the 2012 season, we will introduce all free agents at once to catch up. In the 2013 season and beyond, the free agency period will occur during the actual NFL season. We will sprinkle the free agents in one division at a time over the course of the season. (The divisions may be randomly selected or we may release a calendar. It doesn't matter that much.) This system should be interesting because some free agents will come available early in the season when you don't know their performance for the year - greater risk, greater reward - while other free agents will come available later in the season when you know what their performance will be, but so does everyone else.

c. In the 2013 season and beyond, you will be able to retain more than 53 players through the rookie draft and the main free agency period. You will then have a cutdown period to get to 53 and we will have a final free agency period where you can sign any players who have been cut. In that final period you will have to enforce a 53-man roster, so if you sign a player you have to cut one.

10. When you think about the schedule in 2013 and beyond, it will go like this:

a. Sandbox season goes from February through April.
b. Rookie draft in May. No 53-man limit.
c. Free agency from (likely) September through December, with free agents sprinkled in throughout that period.
d. January. Roster cuts to 53.
e. Late January. Final free agency period to flesh out rosters and sign players cut in Step d.
f. New Sandbox season begins.


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Old 06-23-2012, 02:45 AM   #2041
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Strange AI here with a team spiking on 1st and 10 in the first half before the 2 minute warning:

2nd Q 2:36 3rd and 6 Anchorage 39 Aaron Rodgers passes complete to Dez Bryant for a gain of 25 yards.
2nd Q 2:22 1st and 10 Anchorage 14 Aaron Rodgers spikes the ball to kill the clock.
2nd Q 2:20 2nd and 10 Anchorage 14 Aaron Rodgers passes incomplete to Heath Miller.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:53 AM   #2042
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btw - this is really awesome. the level of detail in this sim is pretty amazing. well done
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:33 AM   #2043
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Couple things from the first possession:

1. My HB3 started?
2. My QB1 threw to him from our 3?
3. He lost 4 yards, resulting in a touchback.
4. We kept possession, 1st and -7 from our 20?

1st Q 8:40 1st and 10 Corona 3 Matthew Stafford passes complete to Jerious Norwood for a gain of -4 yards. Touchback
1st Q 8:28 1st and -7 Corona 20 Matthew Stafford (pressured) passes incomplete to Dustin Keller.
1st Q 8:21 1st and 10 Corona 20 Matt Forte rushes for 0 yards.
1st Q 7:39 2nd and 10 Corona 20 Matthew Stafford passes incomplete to Rob Gronkowski.
1st Q 7:32 3rd and 10 Corona 20 Matthew Stafford passes complete to Plaxico Burress for a gain of 10 yards.
1st Q 6:47 1st and 10 Corona 30 Matthew Stafford passes complete to Matt Forte for a gain of 8 yards.
1st Q 6:02 2nd and 2 Corona 38 Roy Helu rushes for 0 yards.
1st Q 5:20 3rd and 2 Corona 38 Matt Forte rushes for -3 yards.
1st Q 4:38 4th and 5 Corona 35 Michael Koenen punts 58 yards, out of bounds.
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Old 06-23-2012, 06:20 AM   #2044
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Corona stat line week 2:
Stafford 18/25 218 yds 2 td/0 int

Forte 21 rushes 72 yds 1 td 5 rec 21 yds 1 td
Williams 5 rec 95 yds
Keller 2 rec 56 yds 1 td

What a crap week, statistically.
HB2 Helu had 6 rushes for 0 yds, Gronk went 2 for 20 yds, Burress 2 for 15 yds
My FB only got one carry, and HB3 none(even though he started the game).

Completed passes to 7 receivers: 5/95, 2/56, 5/21, 2/20, 2/15, 1/15, 1/-4

Gronk was targeted 4 times total, and he and Keller dropped 5 passes between them, WTF?

It is nice to be complaining abouts stats after a 3 TD win, though.
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:38 AM   #2045
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Any idea when rosters will be advanced to week 3?
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:02 AM   #2046
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My game looks fine (other than the fact that Tyson Jackson got a sack).

My team is sucking and I'm guessing I shouldn't have tried to draft a strong O-line because it looks like it's not mattering much.

One thing that would be good is a box score. Is something like that in the works or is it possibly there and I'm just not seeing it?
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:08 AM   #2047
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My depth chart changed after I had submitted it as well for some reason. I apparently had a street free agent starting at WR1 and RT.
I also can't put Steve Smith at WR2. The only position it will let me plug him in is WR4
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:20 AM   #2048
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Any idea when rosters will be advanced to week 3?
Done. Week 3 games will simulate tomorrow night around 9 or 10 EDT.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:24 AM   #2049
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I fixed the following problems that lostcause pointed out:

1. lostcause's problem with fumbled snap, defense recovers with no change of possession.
2. Tweaked clock management so spiking ball that lostcause mentioned shouldn't happen.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:27 AM   #2050
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Couple things from the first possession:

1. My HB3 started?
2. My QB1 threw to him from our 3?
3. He lost 4 yards, resulting in a touchback.
4. We kept possession, 1st and -7 from our 20?
1. Yes. Any HB in your lineup can play at any time. It is determined randomly.
2. Do you want your QB to never throw from 3 yardline?
3 and 4. Fixed the problem. Next time it will be a safety.

Thanks.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:33 AM   #2051
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I had this buried in a prior post, but wanted to make sure you saw it (punting on 4th down late in the 4th quarter while down by 3):

4th Q 0:49 3rd and 1 Clearwater 18 Maurice Jones-Drew rushes for -3 yards.
4th Q 0:28 4th and 4 Clearwater 15 Mike Scifres punts 47 yards, returned for 7 yards by Jacoby Jones
Anchorage 27, Clearwater 24
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:33 AM   #2052
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My game looks fine (other than the fact that Tyson Jackson got a sack).

My team is sucking and I'm guessing I shouldn't have tried to draft a strong O-line because it looks like it's not mattering much.

One thing that would be good is a box score. Is something like that in the works or is it possibly there and I'm just not seeing it?
The best O lines will make a significant difference compared to a bad OL. But it may not be obvious who the best OL are. And you have to have good skill players too. And you have to consider the quality of the defense you are going against. I haven't looked at the details of your situation to comment specifically, but O-line does matter.

We will have box scores eventually, but probably not until next year. I need to get working on a ton of changes needed for a commercial launch.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:36 AM   #2053
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In overtime, why would I be passing on 1st & 10 from my opponent's 15? ****ing intercepted and I lose the game when I should have been kicking the game winner.

Interestingly though, I also lost the first game in overtime.

Provo
5th Q 15:00 Mike Nugent kicks 68 yards, returned for 27 yards by Darren Sproles
5th Q 14:52 1st and 10 Provo 28 Ben Roethlisberger passes complete to DeSean Jackson for a gain of 18 yards.
5th Q 14:07 1st and 10 Provo 46 Brandon Jacobs rushes for -1 yards.
5th Q 13:25 2nd and 11 Provo 45 Ben Roethlisberger passes complete to Nate Washington for a gain of 25 yards. PENALTY. Personal Foul on Matt Shaughnessy. 15 yards.
5th Q 13:17 1st and 10 Columbia 15 Ben Roethlisberger passes 12 yards intercepted by Quentin Jammer and returned 1 yards.
Columbia 31, Provo 31
I need to tweak the risk taking in game winning situations. I haven't done it yet, but I acknowledge this needs work.
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Here's another one on the previous possession when I could have ran out the clock with a 1st down on 3rd & 1. This interception allowed Columbia to drive for the tying TD.

Provo
4th Q 3:29 Mike Nugent kicks 68 yards, returned for 48 yards by Darren Sproles
4th Q 3:21 1st and 10 50 Joseph Addai rushes for 4 yards.
4th Q 2:31 2nd and 6 Columbia 46 Joseph Addai rushes for 5 yards. time out Columbia
4th Q 2:23 3rd and 1 Columbia 41 Ben Roethlisberger passes 27 yards intercepted by Chris Culliver and returned 9 yards.
Columbia 24, Provo 31
So this would have evaluated as a 'run clock situation'. Unless there is a programming error, you must have wanted to occasionally pass in 3rd and 1 situations when you are trying to run out the clock. You can set pass to 0 if you never want to pass in 3rd and 1 situations when you have a late lead.
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My depth chart changed after I had submitted it as well for some reason. I apparently had a street free agent starting at WR1 and RT.
I also can't put Steve Smith at WR2. The only position it will let me plug him in is WR4
After the first time I ran week 2 sims, I advanced rosters to week 3. I had to roll it back to week 2 and that might have messed with your lineups, if it keeps happening, let me know.

For the Steve Smith problem, set your WR4 to street free agent, set WR2 to Steve Smith, then go back and set your WR4 to whomever you want it to be. If a player is in one roster spot, you can't put him into another one.
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