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I apologize if the mods think this is soliciting, and I guess it is, but at the same time it's beta testing a new product developed by long-time planeteers, and it's free.

cdcox and I have been developing a new football game for the thoughtful fan, where players build franchises and compete against each other. A description is below.

If you're interested, we're offering the game for free in Year 1 to Chiefsplanet members, with the goal of both giving the system a dry run and also hooking you like Phillip Morris. You can go to www.sandboxsimulations.com to sign up, and use the access code 6Lanier3.

Here's the overview:

Build and manage a full 53-player roster over multiple seasons, as an offseason activity to give you year-round football

Select your personnel to match your offensive and defensive scheme. Every position matters – even your blocking tight end.

Realistic and accurate simulations of league games based on head-to-head matchups against other teams in your league.


This is essentially a new concept in fantasy football that attempts to simulate as closely as possible the management of a real NFL franchise over a multi-year period. Unlike regular fantasy football, every position on the offense and defense contributes to your success or failure. On special teams, the punter, kicker, and kick returners matter.

In Sandbox Football you will build a team – an entire 53-man football team – via an initial draft, and will maintain it year after year in annual rookie drafts, trading periods, and free agency. You compete against teams in your league. In the first year of the game, before the start of the NFL season, you will build your roster by drafting veterans and rookies through separate drafts, and through trades with other teams in the league. Your roster is frozen at the beginning of the NFL season. During the real regular NFL season, you can focus on your traditional fantasy games and perhaps keep on eye on your Sandbox roster as our statistical models build the data on player performances. At the end of the regular NFL season, the Sandbox season begins. There will be 16 games in the season. In real time, the season will run about 8 weeks (2 alternate reality games per week).

Game outcomes will be simulated based on the performance of individual players during the just-completed NFL regular season. The simulations, developed by a PhD statistical expert, estimate how individual players will perform in the context of your alternate reality team competing head-to-head against other teams in the league and with the specific team that you have built. The simulations will consider the offensive and defensive schemes that you select. So you can build your roster to support a power running game or a high-flying passing attack. You can run a 3-4 or 4-3 base defense. You can run nickel formations or four-wide receiver sets. You can rotate your DL to keep them fresh.

The game is more about building a team than playing video games. So this isn't Madden, but you will have the ability to tweak your game plan to take the best advantage of your roster and the weaknesses of your opponent. Injuries are a factor in the game. If a player is unavailable during weeks 3 through 6 in the NFL, he is also unavailable during the same weeks in the alternate reality season. So roster depth matters. The game simulations are based on the most advanced statistics and the latest research regarding what matters in winning an NFL game. But, the outcomes of the games have a random component, just like real NFL games.

The calendar for the alternate reality league year will look something like this:
• Jan to Mid March: Alternate Reality regular season and playoffs.
• Mid-March to the beginning of NFL season: Roster building through trades, veteran draft (first year), free agent drafts (2nd year and beyond), and rookie draft.
• Beginning of NFL season to end of regular NFL season: Alternate reality league is dormant, but the NFL players are generating their performance stats for the up-coming AR league.
• Rinse and repeat.

Copyright Sandbox Simulations, all rights reserved.

We're still finalizing the cost structure, but this won't be an expensive game to play at all. It might range from a few bucks a year to $50 per year, depending on a few factors.

Year 1 will require a couple of days of drafting with rather high intensity, but we've got it set up where you can put your draft list together and do customized and automated drafting if you like.

So...go! Now! Time to get ready for the draft!




Note that we are still in beta testing, so things could change if we find problems in the system.


How Free Agency Works:

Free Agency will begin before the 2012 season after the rookie draft.

Our process is as follows for the 2012 season. In 2013 and beyond there will be minor changes as noted later.

1. We will unveil the list of available free agents so you can check out the talent pool.

2. If you look in "Standings", you will see that you have a salary account value of $1,300. You will use this to sign your veterans to contracts, sign your rookies to contracts, and (in a competitive bidding process) sign free agents to contracts.

The cost of a contract is as follows for players already on your roster (both veterans and rookies).

$0 - 1 season contract
$10 - 2 season contract
$22 - 3 season contract
$37 - 4 season contract
$55 - 5 season contract
$76 - 6 season contract
$100 - 7 season contract

You will sign your existing players to contracts using an interface that we will unveil shortly. If your 53-man roster is set you can spend your $1,300 on your current roster. However, it may be worthwhile to hold some money back so you can compete for free agents.

3. The free agency period begins.

Bidding for free agents will be open and competitive. As players come available, teams will be allowed to sign them if they are the high bidder. The contract length is automatically calculated by rounding down the bid to the chart below.

Contract Length (Seasons) Salary Points Bid
1 0 to 9
2 10 to 21
3 22 to 36
4 37 to 54
5 55 to 75
6 76 to 99
7 100 or more

For example, if you submit the winning bid for a player at a price of 25 salary points, that player becomes yours under a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 35 points and win, it’s also a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 38 points, it’s a 4-year contract. If you submit a bid for 120 points, it’s a 7-year contract.

For the 2012 free agency period, we will enforce the 53-man rule. You will need to cut down to 53 players before the free agency period starts, and if you sign a player to go above 53, you will need to cut a player to stay within the roster limit. NOTE: DON'T CUT YET UNLESS YOU WANT TO. WE'RE STILL FINALIZING THE SYSTEM AND WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS RULE WORKS IN 2012.

4. Ending Bidding and Ending Free Agency.

Bids on an individual player will begin once the first player places a bid. For the 2012 season that bid must be $1 or more. Bidding ends when the existing high bid had not been raised for 72 hours. At that point, the high-bid team is awarded the player under the contract terms described in Step 3.

The free agency period in 2012 will end once there have been no bids on any players for 72 hours.

5. Unused Salary Points

If you do not use all of your salary points in a given year, they will roll over from year to year. This is experimental and we'll have to see how it works. If it doesn't work, they'll expire each year, or maybe a portion of the points can roll over. Right now, assume they all roll over.

6. Salary Points and Roster Management

In the Sandbox system, salary points and the salary cap are used only for acquiring players. You will never have to track the number of salary points “on your roster” and you will never have to cut a player for salary cap reasons.

Additionally, you are not obligated to keep a player for the full length of his contract. You can cut him or trade him at any time. However, recognize that it’s a waste of salary points to cut or trade a player before the end of his contract. But it doesn't hamstring you going forward - it's just past money that you wasted.

7. Free Agency and Contract Length - Retaining Your Current Players

When a player reaches the end of their contract, they go back into the free agency pool and teams will bid for their services. You are eligible to bid on them to get them back, just like you can bid on any free agents.

There is one exception to the rule of free agents going into the free agency pool, as follows:

• At the end of the bidding process, you have the opportunity to re-sign your own players by outbidding the high bidder. Your bid must be the minimum points to increase their contract period by a year over the high bid. (Example: your player goes to free agency, and another team bids 50 points for him, which equates to a 4-year contract. You can keep the player by paying 55 points for him, which is the minimum amount for a 5-year contract.) If the high bidder offered a contract of 100 points or more (7-years), you can keep the player by bidding 10% more points than the high bid.

8. Free Agency and Trades

If you trade for a player, their contract length is a consideration. Trading for a player with 6 years left on his contract will give you his services for that amount of time (unless you cut him or trade him, or he retires). Trading for a player with 1 year left on his contract means that he’ll go back into the free agency pool at the end of the season. (Of course, you can still retain him via Step 7.)

9. Future Years

In future years, the process will be identical to that shown above, with the following exceptions.

a. Because you will have a lot of veteran players under contract, you won't need $1,300. You'll get a new annual allotment of signing dollars. We're still working on the exact amount, but it looks like it'll be between $500 and $600.

b. In the 2012 season, we will introduce all free agents at once to catch up. In the 2013 season and beyond, the free agency period will occur during the actual NFL season. We will sprinkle the free agents in one division at a time over the course of the season. (The divisions may be randomly selected or we may release a calendar. It doesn't matter that much.) This system should be interesting because some free agents will come available early in the season when you don't know their performance for the year - greater risk, greater reward - while other free agents will come available later in the season when you know what their performance will be, but so does everyone else.

c. In the 2013 season and beyond, you will be able to retain more than 53 players through the rookie draft and the main free agency period. You will then have a cutdown period to get to 53 and we will have a final free agency period where you can sign any players who have been cut. In that final period you will have to enforce a 53-man roster, so if you sign a player you have to cut one.

10. When you think about the schedule in 2013 and beyond, it will go like this:

a. Sandbox season goes from February through April.
b. Rookie draft in May. No 53-man limit.
c. Free agency from (likely) September through December, with free agents sprinkled in throughout that period.
d. January. Roster cuts to 53.
e. Late January. Final free agency period to flesh out rosters and sign players cut in Step d.
f. New Sandbox season begins.


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Old 07-16-2012, 04:13 PM   #2386
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I built my team with emphasis on Defense and a balanced, two TE offense. The stats reflect my thoughts that my Oline is solid (not as solid as I would have thought with my group) and we can move the ball well, but need help with scoring. The wildcat option this season would probably have seen Cam Newton get 15-20% of the QB snaps.

I thought my front seven would beast it up: Ray McDonald, Chris Long, Ndamukong Suh and Tyson Alualu are my starting line and have provided all 14 of my sacks. My LBs have been nonexistent. I thought a starting 3 of Connor Barwin (11.5 sacks last year), Patrick Willis and Pat Angerer would be noisemakers, but they literally have shown nothing. Not even a penalty.
The bear here is that without any kind of occurrence in the play by play, there is no way to determine their effectiveness, or lack thereof.
My DBs are as underachieving a group as you could ask for, but I already mentioned them, although we did double our season int total with one more in week 10.
I agree (Rain Man has mentioned it too) that we need to have some way of giving feedback with respect to how some of the non-skill units are doing. If you were a real GM, you could watch them play, grade them, and figure out where your weaknesses are. Here it's all a black box. So on one hand we need to give you some feedback that you can use for improvement, but at the same time, we don't want to remove the "fog of war" aspect where it would become too easy to game the system. Rain Man and I need to figure out the best way to provide this feeback to you.

I have Chris Long playing for the Vision in League 1. He has been beast, compiling 16 sacks. You have only got 6 sacks out of him. Same thing with Suh. He's generated 6 sacks for me, but only 3 for you. I'm don't know and won't say how much of that is luck and how much might be game planning.

I don't think it would be giving too much away to say that LB can't get sacks unless you blitz them.
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Old 07-16-2012, 05:53 PM   #2387
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Question, how did my QB get switched? I admittedly can't log on as much as I'd like, but I swear I had Bradford set as my QB. Did it not revert back to him when he came back from his injury?
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:35 PM   #2388
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Question, how did my QB get switched? I admittedly can't log on as much as I'd like, but I swear I had Bradford set as my QB. Did it not revert back to him when he came back from his injury?
You have to manually make any lineup changes. The only one that is made automatically (other than in-game rotations) is to insert a street free agent for any injured players.

Long term, my wish list would include a depth chart so the game automatically starts the highest guy who's available. There are probably some technical issues that make that difficult, though, if you have one guy backing up more than one spot. It gets complicated quickly.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:54 PM   #2389
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You have to manually make any lineup changes. The only one that is made automatically (other than in-game rotations) is to insert a street free agent for any injured players.

Long term, my wish list would include a depth chart so the game automatically starts the highest guy who's available. There are probably some technical issues that make that difficult, though, if you have one guy backing up more than one spot. It gets complicated quickly.

Ok, then how did my QB change. Bradford started week one. Then some how it pulled him in favor of Kerry Collins. Then somehow Caleb Henne played the next several weeks.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:57 PM   #2390
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Ok, then how did my QB change. Bradford started week one. Then some how it pulled him in favor of Kerry Collins. Then somehow Caleb Henne played the next several weeks.
Oh, that's right. cdcox has a bot to do lineups for absentee owners. We had a technical glitch in Week 3 or 4 that kicked in the bot, so it may have picked Collins or Hanie to start.
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Old 07-16-2012, 07:34 PM   #2391
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Ok, then how did my QB change. Bradford started week one. Then some how it pulled him in favor of Kerry Collins. Then somehow Caleb Henne played the next several weeks.
Several things could be in play here:

1. I initially had is set where if the owner didn't check in for more than one league week, that a bot would take over the management of your team. I've backed that off to 3 or 4 weeks now.

2. Rain Man mentioned the glitch where I had to reset one week and a lot of people's rosters got hosed.

3. During weeks 6 and 7 Caleb Henne was the only active QB on your roster. It isn't currently programmed to start a player once he becomes injured; you have to reset them as a starter manually. This is the reason that I had originally had the bot take over after 1 week of inactivity. The bot would have changed your starting QB.

4. In short, I designed the interface assuming most owners would check their rosters every league week.

5. A depth chart style interface would solve a lot of this and is probably the correct long term solution. I almost decided to add this during the short hiatus between games 7 and 8. But Rain Man is right -- it gets complicated fast if you want one player to back up more than one position. I think I came up with a solution, but it would have taken a week or more to code. I didn't want people to have to wait that long to start the simulations again.
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Anchorage came out flat and couldn't move the ball. Unfortunate loss to the tigerhawks.
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Old 07-17-2012, 05:04 AM   #2395
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Tom Brady: 13 of 22 for 203 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT

Roddy White: 6 catches, 122 yards, 1 TD
Torrey Smith: 1 catch, 31 yards
Kellen Winslow: 5 catches, 67 yards, 1 TD

Reggie Bush: 15 carries, 67 yards
Ricky Williams: 8 carries, 22 yards 1 TD

Sacks: Charles Johnson 2, Julius Peppers, Captain Munnerlyn

INT: Sean Smith

My first defensive TD. This was the margin of victory for me, because Flacco turned into Joe Montana after this. Up 31-9 and win 31-24.

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Also, very interesting that I only ran 47 offensive plays and won.

Joe Flacco was 41 of 66 for 536 yards 2 TD, 1 INT, 2 fumbles

Finally, this is an epic series by my offense (read: QB). 95 yards in 6 plays and 2:02

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2nd Q 3:06 1st and 10 Denver 32 Tom Brady passes complete to Roddy White for a gain of 22 yards.

2nd Q 2:21 1st and 10 High Point 46 Tom Brady passes complete to Roddy White for a gain of 7 yards. Two minute warning.

2nd Q 2:00 2nd and 3 High Point 39 Tom Brady (pressured) passes complete to Torrey Smith for a gain of 31 yards. PENALTY. Defensive Holding on Myron Lewis. 5 yards. Penalty declined.

2nd Q 1:52 1st and goal High Point 8 Reggie Bush rushes for 3 yards
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2nd Q 1:31 2nd and goal High Point 5 Tom Brady passes complete to Roddy White for a gain of 6 yards. PENALTY. Defensive Holding on Abram Elam. 3 yards. Penalty declined. Touchdown, conversion

Denver 17, High Point 3
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That game has killed my pass defense ranking. I am now 8th worst, though ranked high in YPA against.

Observation: top 4 run defenses are on teams with a combined 36-8 record.
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My free agent punter killed it this last game. 5 punts, 54.2 avg.

And this may have won the game.

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This week my opponent is missing 4 CBs.

They also have the worst pass rush in the league.

I think I'll try and break some records.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:56 AM   #2399
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League 1 the league rushing average is 4.36. Wichita averaging 6.58 ypa. Talk about an extreme outlier....nearly 4.5 deviations from the mean.

Players? Line? Coaching? Bad defense? What?
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League 1 the league rushing average is 4.36. Wichita averaging 6.58 ypa. Talk about an extreme outlier....nearly 4.5 deviations from the mean.

Players? Line? Coaching? Bad defense? What?
I would love to see Wichita's run/pass percentages and formations.
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