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Your Chance To Participate In A New Football Phenomenon (Sandbox Simulations)

I apologize if the mods think this is soliciting, and I guess it is, but at the same time it's beta testing a new product developed by long-time planeteers, and it's free.

cdcox and I have been developing a new football game for the thoughtful fan, where players build franchises and compete against each other. A description is below.

If you're interested, we're offering the game for free in Year 1 to Chiefsplanet members, with the goal of both giving the system a dry run and also hooking you like Phillip Morris. You can go to www.sandboxsimulations.com to sign up, and use the access code 6Lanier3.

Here's the overview:

Build and manage a full 53-player roster over multiple seasons, as an offseason activity to give you year-round football

Select your personnel to match your offensive and defensive scheme. Every position matters – even your blocking tight end.

Realistic and accurate simulations of league games based on head-to-head matchups against other teams in your league.


This is essentially a new concept in fantasy football that attempts to simulate as closely as possible the management of a real NFL franchise over a multi-year period. Unlike regular fantasy football, every position on the offense and defense contributes to your success or failure. On special teams, the punter, kicker, and kick returners matter.

In Sandbox Football you will build a team – an entire 53-man football team – via an initial draft, and will maintain it year after year in annual rookie drafts, trading periods, and free agency. You compete against teams in your league. In the first year of the game, before the start of the NFL season, you will build your roster by drafting veterans and rookies through separate drafts, and through trades with other teams in the league. Your roster is frozen at the beginning of the NFL season. During the real regular NFL season, you can focus on your traditional fantasy games and perhaps keep on eye on your Sandbox roster as our statistical models build the data on player performances. At the end of the regular NFL season, the Sandbox season begins. There will be 16 games in the season. In real time, the season will run about 8 weeks (2 alternate reality games per week).

Game outcomes will be simulated based on the performance of individual players during the just-completed NFL regular season. The simulations, developed by a PhD statistical expert, estimate how individual players will perform in the context of your alternate reality team competing head-to-head against other teams in the league and with the specific team that you have built. The simulations will consider the offensive and defensive schemes that you select. So you can build your roster to support a power running game or a high-flying passing attack. You can run a 3-4 or 4-3 base defense. You can run nickel formations or four-wide receiver sets. You can rotate your DL to keep them fresh.

The game is more about building a team than playing video games. So this isn't Madden, but you will have the ability to tweak your game plan to take the best advantage of your roster and the weaknesses of your opponent. Injuries are a factor in the game. If a player is unavailable during weeks 3 through 6 in the NFL, he is also unavailable during the same weeks in the alternate reality season. So roster depth matters. The game simulations are based on the most advanced statistics and the latest research regarding what matters in winning an NFL game. But, the outcomes of the games have a random component, just like real NFL games.

The calendar for the alternate reality league year will look something like this:
• Jan to Mid March: Alternate Reality regular season and playoffs.
• Mid-March to the beginning of NFL season: Roster building through trades, veteran draft (first year), free agent drafts (2nd year and beyond), and rookie draft.
• Beginning of NFL season to end of regular NFL season: Alternate reality league is dormant, but the NFL players are generating their performance stats for the up-coming AR league.
• Rinse and repeat.

Copyright Sandbox Simulations, all rights reserved.

We're still finalizing the cost structure, but this won't be an expensive game to play at all. It might range from a few bucks a year to $50 per year, depending on a few factors.

Year 1 will require a couple of days of drafting with rather high intensity, but we've got it set up where you can put your draft list together and do customized and automated drafting if you like.

So...go! Now! Time to get ready for the draft!




Note that we are still in beta testing, so things could change if we find problems in the system.


How Free Agency Works:

Free Agency will begin before the 2012 season after the rookie draft.

Our process is as follows for the 2012 season. In 2013 and beyond there will be minor changes as noted later.

1. We will unveil the list of available free agents so you can check out the talent pool.

2. If you look in "Standings", you will see that you have a salary account value of $1,300. You will use this to sign your veterans to contracts, sign your rookies to contracts, and (in a competitive bidding process) sign free agents to contracts.

The cost of a contract is as follows for players already on your roster (both veterans and rookies).

$0 - 1 season contract
$10 - 2 season contract
$22 - 3 season contract
$37 - 4 season contract
$55 - 5 season contract
$76 - 6 season contract
$100 - 7 season contract

You will sign your existing players to contracts using an interface that we will unveil shortly. If your 53-man roster is set you can spend your $1,300 on your current roster. However, it may be worthwhile to hold some money back so you can compete for free agents.

3. The free agency period begins.

Bidding for free agents will be open and competitive. As players come available, teams will be allowed to sign them if they are the high bidder. The contract length is automatically calculated by rounding down the bid to the chart below.

Contract Length (Seasons) Salary Points Bid
1 0 to 9
2 10 to 21
3 22 to 36
4 37 to 54
5 55 to 75
6 76 to 99
7 100 or more

For example, if you submit the winning bid for a player at a price of 25 salary points, that player becomes yours under a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 35 points and win, it’s also a 3-year contract. If you submit a bid for 38 points, it’s a 4-year contract. If you submit a bid for 120 points, it’s a 7-year contract.

For the 2012 free agency period, we will enforce the 53-man rule. You will need to cut down to 53 players before the free agency period starts, and if you sign a player to go above 53, you will need to cut a player to stay within the roster limit. NOTE: DON'T CUT YET UNLESS YOU WANT TO. WE'RE STILL FINALIZING THE SYSTEM AND WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS RULE WORKS IN 2012.

4. Ending Bidding and Ending Free Agency.

Bids on an individual player will begin once the first player places a bid. For the 2012 season that bid must be $1 or more. Bidding ends when the existing high bid had not been raised for 72 hours. At that point, the high-bid team is awarded the player under the contract terms described in Step 3.

The free agency period in 2012 will end once there have been no bids on any players for 72 hours.

5. Unused Salary Points

If you do not use all of your salary points in a given year, they will roll over from year to year. This is experimental and we'll have to see how it works. If it doesn't work, they'll expire each year, or maybe a portion of the points can roll over. Right now, assume they all roll over.

6. Salary Points and Roster Management

In the Sandbox system, salary points and the salary cap are used only for acquiring players. You will never have to track the number of salary points “on your roster” and you will never have to cut a player for salary cap reasons.

Additionally, you are not obligated to keep a player for the full length of his contract. You can cut him or trade him at any time. However, recognize that it’s a waste of salary points to cut or trade a player before the end of his contract. But it doesn't hamstring you going forward - it's just past money that you wasted.

7. Free Agency and Contract Length - Retaining Your Current Players

When a player reaches the end of their contract, they go back into the free agency pool and teams will bid for their services. You are eligible to bid on them to get them back, just like you can bid on any free agents.

There is one exception to the rule of free agents going into the free agency pool, as follows:

• At the end of the bidding process, you have the opportunity to re-sign your own players by outbidding the high bidder. Your bid must be the minimum points to increase their contract period by a year over the high bid. (Example: your player goes to free agency, and another team bids 50 points for him, which equates to a 4-year contract. You can keep the player by paying 55 points for him, which is the minimum amount for a 5-year contract.) If the high bidder offered a contract of 100 points or more (7-years), you can keep the player by bidding 10% more points than the high bid.

8. Free Agency and Trades

If you trade for a player, their contract length is a consideration. Trading for a player with 6 years left on his contract will give you his services for that amount of time (unless you cut him or trade him, or he retires). Trading for a player with 1 year left on his contract means that he’ll go back into the free agency pool at the end of the season. (Of course, you can still retain him via Step 7.)

9. Future Years

In future years, the process will be identical to that shown above, with the following exceptions.

a. Because you will have a lot of veteran players under contract, you won't need $1,300. You'll get a new annual allotment of signing dollars. We're still working on the exact amount, but it looks like it'll be between $500 and $600.

b. In the 2012 season, we will introduce all free agents at once to catch up. In the 2013 season and beyond, the free agency period will occur during the actual NFL season. We will sprinkle the free agents in one division at a time over the course of the season. (The divisions may be randomly selected or we may release a calendar. It doesn't matter that much.) This system should be interesting because some free agents will come available early in the season when you don't know their performance for the year - greater risk, greater reward - while other free agents will come available later in the season when you know what their performance will be, but so does everyone else.

c. In the 2013 season and beyond, you will be able to retain more than 53 players through the rookie draft and the main free agency period. You will then have a cutdown period to get to 53 and we will have a final free agency period where you can sign any players who have been cut. In that final period you will have to enforce a 53-man roster, so if you sign a player you have to cut one.

10. When you think about the schedule in 2013 and beyond, it will go like this:

a. Sandbox season goes from February through April.
b. Rookie draft in May. No 53-man limit.
c. Free agency from (likely) September through December, with free agents sprinkled in throughout that period.
d. January. Roster cuts to 53.
e. Late January. Final free agency period to flesh out rosters and sign players cut in Step d.
f. New Sandbox season begins.


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Old 08-01-2012, 10:45 PM   #2566
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As a very low priority improvement for future years, it would be nice if the pass completions had a couple of figures following the play that showed the yardage of the pass and the yardage of the YAC, so we can envision whether the receiver went up for a long ball or broke loose on a short reception.

As a short term improvement, would it be possible to note how many time outs remain when a team calls a time out? Something like "Time out Richmond. 2 time outs remaining."
Both changes are pretty easy. The air-yards and YAC are already generated, but not saved. It would be a simple matter to save that info and display it.

I'll check into the penalty thing to see why it didn't list that PI penalty as half the distance to the goal.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:47 PM   #2567
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I went through all of the games and have no more comments. Everything looks good.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:55 PM   #2568
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You're the man. I'll fix the things you mentioned that affect game play. I think we are on track for sims on FRIDAY night. Check your linueps before then!!!!
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:24 PM   #2569
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Question for the dungeonmaster: how does player availability work in the playoffs? Our roster only shows availability during the regular season. Does Week 16 availability apply throughout the playoffs, so if someone misses the final week they're out of the playoffs? Or do you have some other system?
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:28 PM   #2570
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Question for the dungeonmaster: how does player availability work in the playoffs? Our roster only shows availability during the regular season. Does Week 16 availability apply throughout the playoffs, so if someone misses the final week they're out of the playoffs? Or do you have some other system?
Yes, but open to better ideas. We have some time to implement a better system if it can be conceived.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:04 AM   #2571
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Yes, but open to better ideas. We have some time to implement a better system if it can be conceived.
Hmmm....

IR is out for the playoffs, anyone else (except for guys that actually missed playoff games) should be available.

Look at it this way, a lot of guys have injuries where "I'd have played if it was a playoff game" so I think availability should be heightened for playoff games. For teams that made the playoffs, it's easy to deal with their players. So the only question is what to do with non-playoff teams.

I'd give the benefit of the doubt to the recovery ability of guys that take shots from 300 lb men that run like deers.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:18 AM   #2572
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Oh man, that's going to destroy my team if we stick with that rule. That takes out like 4 of my starters and 2 key backups, who played most of the season.

Reggie Bush
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I think a better system would be: if the player has been injured for more than a month straight (i.e. was a long term injury), they miss the playoffs.
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Old 08-02-2012, 09:37 AM   #2573
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I think cdcox's idea is fine and realistic, and realistic is important since we want to take this to scale.

Another suggestion would be that we know the availability of these players for each week of the 16-week season. Maybe we could use that to define a probability that they'll be available for each playoff week. I'd use a weighted average that increases the weight of later weeks, and then before the season we can roll the dice to define availability, and report those weeks on the roster just like every other week.

If you gave Week 1 a weight of 1 and Week 16 a weight of 16, and ramped up every week in between, I think it would provide a good probability. So if someone misses a couple of weeks early in the season, the odds are good that they'll be in every playoff game. If they missed the last four weeks of the season, they may make it into a playoff game or two, but the odds are that they won't be in all four.

Actually, thinking about the math, I think I'd weight the later games a lot higher than 16. Maybe ramp it up exponentially where Week 16 is worth 30% of the total weight or so. I can come up with a formula to test if you like it.

This system would be nice because it would potentially let some minorly injured players sneak back in for a key playoff game, but probably not all of them.
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Me, too. I'm ready, and we've got some important games coming up. The whole season is riding on the next few games.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:22 PM   #2576
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So let me ask you guys - what would you pay for this?

Our plan is to keep this league going for free for you beta testers, so you're in. But if you were just signing up, what would you pay for a team for an annual season, which will include rookie draft, free agent pickup system, and the season like we're holding now?
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:11 PM   #2577
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Fourth down, your team down by 4, ball your opponent's 20 and you have all of your timeouts.

Do you kick a FG or go for it in the following situations:

to go = 5, time = 10 min
to go = 3, time = 10 min
to go = 10, time = 5 min
to go = 5, time = 5 min
to go = 3, time = 5 min
to go = 15, time = 3 min
to go = 10, time = 3 min
to go = 5, time = 3 min
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I'd pay 20 bucks, easy.

This is basically Madden franchise mode without graphics, and better AI.

It's worth at least 1/2 the cost of Madden, especially since I get to play against human opponents (in franchise mode) who aren't 11.
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While we might be willing to pay more because we've done it and liked it, I think to attract new users, you'd have to charge a low price, like around $10.
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So let me ask you guys - what would you pay for this?

Our plan is to keep this league going for free for you beta testers, so you're in. But if you were just signing up, what would you pay for a team for an annual season, which will include rookie draft, free agent pickup system, and the season like we're holding now?
Yeah, probably, if the kinks can get ironed out and if the interface became a little more user friendly.

My concern is really the repeat user thing though. These are presumably designed to be dynasty leagues, yes? Well if a guy ends up with a 4-win squad and can't get out of the gutter for a year or two, he's going to lose interest. I assume new people will just move in to take the departeds place in that league, yes?

I just wonder how you would prevent straight-up dynasties. Will a salary cap be put in place? Will salaries be based on real-life player salaries? The true appeal of FFB is the ability to really turn a team over in a season or two. Heck, part of the NFL's appeal is parity. The league needs to have something to encourage just that.
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