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Old 08-10-2011, 10:07 AM  
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China's first carrier starts sea trials

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ier/index.html

(CNN) -- China's first aircraft carrier sailed out of the northeastern port of Dalian for sea trials Wednesday morning, the state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

China has spent nearly a decade refurbishing the 67,000-ton, 300-meter (1,000-foot) ship, begun by the former Soviet Union but never completed.

Xinhua quoted military sources as saying the trials would be brief, and the carrier would return to Dalian for further refits.

China once renounced aircraft carriers as tools of imperialism, but has been developing a blue-water navy in recent years, along with air power to back it up.

It purchased the rusting, gutted shell of the Varyag, the Soviet-begun carrier now under way, from Ukraine in 1998.

Only a handful of other nations operate aircraft carriers -- and only the United States, with 11, has more than two in service.
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Old 08-10-2011, 10:46 AM
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:42 AM   #2
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Ah, Donger, playing the fear card again. This time regarding China.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:45 AM   #3
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Ah, Donger, playing the fear card again. This time regarding China.
Not really. We could sink this turd pretty easily.

I posted this because it's real and China is developing a blue water navy. I realize that you and yours would rather just ignore that fact, but that doesn't make it not real.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:45 AM   #4
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...ier/index.html

(CNN) -- China's first aircraft carrier sailed out of the northeastern port of Dalian for sea trials Wednesday morning, the state-run news agency Xinhua reported.

China has spent nearly a decade refurbishing the 67,000-ton, 300-meter (1,000-foot) ship, begun by the former Soviet Union but never completed.

Xinhua quoted military sources as saying the trials would be brief, and the carrier would return to Dalian for further refits.

China once renounced aircraft carriers as tools of imperialism, but has been developing a blue-water navy in recent years, along with air power to back it up.

It purchased the rusting, gutted shell of the Varyag, the Soviet-begun carrier now under way, from Ukraine in 1998.

Only a handful of other nations operate aircraft carriers -- and only the United States, with 11, has more than two in service.
So what is being said here is that we could cut back to 4 carriers and still be twice as large as any other navy???
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:45 AM   #5
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So what is being said here is that we could cut back to 4 carriers and still be twice as large as any other navy???
Yes.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:47 AM   #6
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Yes.
Ok, just wanted to clairfy.
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Does anyone have the costs to run 1 carrier?
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:51 AM   #8
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Does anyone have the costs to run 1 carrier?
Going from memory, ~$1 million/day while at sea.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:00 PM   #9
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Not really. We could sink this turd pretty easily.
So if this is the case, why bother being so concerned?

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I posted this because it's real and China is developing a blue water navy. I realize that you and yours would rather just ignore that fact, but that doesn't make it not real.
It's not a matter of ignore to me at all. It's that any nation has a right to a defense system which you seem to think otherwise. That and if they do build one we should knock it out if they get too strong eventhough trade prevents war. We are a big trading partner of theirs.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:03 PM   #10
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So what is being said here is that we could cut back to 4 carriers and still be twice as large as any other navy???
I like maybe 8 carriers and scuttle most of the support ships other than destroyers and tankers.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:08 PM   #11
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So if this is the case, why bother being so concerned?
I'm not sure that concerned is the correct word. However, being aware that a global power has put an aircraft carrier to sea is a news-worthy event.

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It's not a matter of ignore to me at all. It's that any nation has a right to a defense system which you seem to think otherwise. That and if they do build one we should knock it out if they get too strong eventhough trade prevents war. We are a big trading partner of theirs.
Aircraft carriers aren't typically viewed as defensive weapons, BEP.
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[quote=Donger;7814169]I'm not sure that concerned is the correct word. However, being aware that a global power has put an aircraft carrier to sea is a news-worthy event.

There a global "power" but we can sink the "turd." I think you need to make up your mind which it is, Donger.

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Oh please, they're warships that deploy and recover aircraft operating as a seagoing airbase. You national defense types promote the idea of having offensive capability as part of an overall defense strategy including the use of preventative war. Quit splitting hairs.

You're nervous. Admit it.
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Aircraft carriers aren't typically viewed as defensive weapons, BEP.
Depends on how you look at things.

Lets say some random country starts talking big and acting like they're going to do something.

Then a pair of US aircraft carriers show up on their doorstep and they are reminded of what happens if they decide to attack the United States. Reality sets in and they realize attacking us might not be a good idea. Those carriers were a far more effective defense than anything because the stopped the attack from happening before it even started.

Same principle of our nuclear submarines. Their mere presense acts as a major deterent against agression.
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