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Old 08-11-2011, 07:07 PM  
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Romney BOMBS at Iowa County Fair



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Romney encounters support, heckling at Iowa State Fair
By Meghan Malloy | 08.11.11 | 2:33 pm | More from The Iowa Independent

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DES MOINES — Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney received a rather aggressive Iowa welcome Thursday during his Des Moines Register soapbox appearance at the Iowa State Fair. Hecklers shouted at Romney about “cut, cap and balance,” Social Security and Medicare, and tax rates to wealthy individuals and corporations.


Mitt Romney faced a rather aggressive welcome at the Iowa State Fair. (Photo: Meghan Malloy/The Iowa Independent)

Chants of “scrap the cap” and “raise taxes on corporations, not people,” filled the air, countered by the former Governor’s supporters, who chanted “Romney! Romney!”

The appearance started off peacefully enough, with Romney standing by well-used quotes heard in Iowa and elsewhere, specifically “if you want to create jobs, it helps to have had a job,” a reference to President Barack Obama’s career as a politician.

“Let’s send some citizens to Washington in addition to some politicians to Washington,” Romney said. “I didn’t inhale politics. I’m still a business guy. I’m still a private citizen.”

Romney has amassed great personal wealth into the millions during his time in the private sector, which includes leading Bain & Company and Bain Capital, and serving as chief executive of the organizing committee for the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City. The son of a self-made former Michigan governor, Romney holds law and masters of business degrees from Harvard.

Though Obama is “a fine fella,” Romney said, his policies on job creation and economic development failed, “and as a result, the American people are still suffering; and that’s why I’m predicting in this place, on this day, that in November 2012, Obama will not carry the state of Iowa.”

Things went south when it came to the question and answer portion.

Two men — Joe pillowbiteran, 71, of Des Moines and Daniel Simmons, 23, also of Des Moines — questioned Romney aggressively, demanding he answer their questions about Medicare and Social Security funding. Romney and many attendees spoke over each other repeatedly.

“You came here to listen to the people,” pillowbiteran, a registered Democrat and former Catholic priest, yelled at Romney, pointing his finger. “What are you going to do to strengthen social security, Medicare and Medicaid without hurting benefits?”

Romney pointed right and asked the man if he was done speaking. pillowbiteran replied, “Well, I’m waiting to see what you’re gonna say.”

Answered Romney, “If you don’t like my answers, you can vote for someone else.”

As well, Romney said he absolutely would not raise taxes on corporations following a question about tax rates and cuts for the wealthy, a statement which found great unfavor with several attendees.

Romney defended himself: “There was a time in this country when we didn’t celebrate rich people by attacking their success. Corporations are people, too, my friends.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/114...owa-state-fair
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:12 PM   #2
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Saw it on Human Events. So he encountered a bunch of socialist leaning or leftist progressives and means he's bombed? * yawn*
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:13 PM   #3
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Two men — Joe pillowbiteran, 71, of Des Moines and Daniel Simmons, 23
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:15 PM   #4
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Since when does some hecklers showing up equate to bombing?
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:15 PM   #5
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Saw it on Human Events. So he encountered a bunch of socialist leaning or leftist progressives and means he's bombed? * yawn*
I thought I was on fake ignore, what are you doing posting in my thread?
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:16 PM   #6
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Since when does some hecklers showing up equate to bombing?
Hecklers showing up does not equal bombing.

Handling hecklers like a stooge equals bombing.
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:17 PM   #7
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:27 PM   #8
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It's a Kobayashi Maru: you can't give the benefits the left wants and remain fiscally solvent. You can't even tax your way out of it. You either change how the entitlements work or you reduce their value -- either thru cuts or the continued devaluation of the dollar.

If someone can show me another way I'd love to hear it.
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Old 08-11-2011, 07:29 PM   #9
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It's a Kobayashi Maru: you can't give the benefits the left wants and remain fiscally solvent. You can't even tax your way out of it. You either change how the entitlements work or you reduce their value -- either thru cuts or the continued devaluation of the dollar.

If someone can show me another way I'd love to hear it.
I disagree with your statement, but I like the Star Trek reference.

Certainly, there's no reason it can't be a combination of restructuring benefits and more revenue.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:24 PM   #10
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Banyon, Romney didn't bomb. He told them what he was going to do and if they disagree vote for Obama.

In addition the media is now reporting they were plants which equals FAIL.
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Banyon, Romney didn't bomb. He told them what he was going to do and if they disagree vote for Obama.

In addition the media is now reporting they were plants which equals FAIL.
"Corporations are people too"?

For a guy trying to shed an image as a plutocrat in cahoots with business?

Which media?
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:44 PM   #13
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"Corporations are people too"?

For a guy trying to shed an image as a plutocrat in cahoots with business?

Which media?
Well they are. Are you so rigid in your ideology you can't see that?

Media? It's on Fox's website
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:52 PM   #14
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Well they are. Are you so rigid in your ideology you can't see that?

Media? It's on Fox's website
They're legal fictions created for taxation and court purposes. People are people.

If you think that's a great line, I sure hope he keeps using it, because I don't think most people will see it your way.

Where is the media report? I looked on Fox's site and didn't see it.

I found this story on the front page, but they don't mention your claim:

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/20...lers-hard-iowa
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:01 PM   #15
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They're legal fictions created for taxation and court purposes. People are people.

If you think that's a great line, I sure hope he keeps using it, because I don't think most people will see it your way.

Where is the media report? I looked on Fox's site and didn't see it.

I found this story on the front page, but they don't mention your claim:

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/20...lers-hard-iowa
First of all that's a distorted and somewhat odd definition of corporations. But whatever floats your boat.

They're are about 14 million people out of work that wish they could get hired by a corporation. Not all corporations are huge multiple-national entities. In fact, most people who own and work for the majority of corporations are our neighbors and friends.
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