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Obama: Something is wrong with country's politics


NEW YORK (AP) Aligning himself with a public fed up with economic uncertainty and Washington gridlock, President Barack Obama declared Thursday: "There is nothing wrong with our country. There is something wrong with our politics."

His toughly worded message he said there was frustration in his voice, in case anyone missed the point came amid a series of polls showing that people are disgusted with political dysfunction and are dispensing blame all around, including on Obama.

Obama aired his frustration with the ways of Washington at an event in Michigan before pivoting to his re-election campaign and a pair of big-money fundraisers in New York City.

He delivered a condensed version of that message at a fundraiser at the lower Manhattan home of movie producer Harvey Weinstein, where celebrities Gwyneth Paltrow and Jimmy Fallon, were among the approximately 50 guests who paid $35,800 each to attend.

Obama said he told his Michigan audience that it deserves better than what it's been getting from Washington.

"They look at what's happening in Washington and they think these folks are really from outer space because they don't seem to understand how critical it is for us all to work together, Republicans, Democrats, independents, in order to move this country forward," Obama said.

He added that the country is realizing the need to get involved.

"We're going to have to get engaged and we're going to have to speak out," Obama said. "We're going to have to register the fact that we expect more and we expect better."

Obama's visit Thursday to Holland, Mich., and New York, was his first official trip outside Washington after spending more than a month in the nation's capital dealing with the debt debate. Obama said Americans were right to be worried about the country's 9.1 percent unemployment rate and fluctuations in the stock market. The contentious and partisan debt debate in Washington, he said, has done little to help.

"Unfortunately what we've seen in Washington in the last few months has been the worst kind of partisanship, the worst kind of gridlock, and that gridlock has undermined public confidence and impeded our efforts to take the steps we need for our economy," Obama said after touring a Michigan factory that makes advanced batteries for alternative-fuel vehicles.

A Washington Post poll released this week showed widespread and deep discontent with Washington. Nearly 80 percent said they were dissatisfied with the way the country's political system works, compared with 60 percent in November 2009. Seventy-one percent said the federal government is mostly focused on the wrong things, up from 55 percent in October 2010.

Both Obama and congressional Republicans were targets of unhappiness, with only 19 percent of people polled saying that Obama had made progress in solving the country's major problems, and just 10 percent saying that about Republicans. At the same time, 28 percent said Obama had made things worse, while 35 percent said congressional Republicans had done that.

Obama sought to channel the public's anger in order to avoid being sunk by it himself. He urged the public to tell Washington lawmakers they'd had enough with the bickering and stalemates.

"You've got to tell them you've had enough of the theatrics, you've had enough of the politics, stop sending out press releases. Start passing some bills that we all know will help the economy right now," he said. "That's what they need to do. They've got to hear from you."

House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, promptly responded with a news release, calling the president's remarks "political grandstanding" and urging him to deliver on promises to outline recommendations to rein in the nation's deficits.

The president has said he will send those recommendations in the coming weeks to a congressional supercommittee tasked with finding $1.5 trillion in savings. He also said on Thursday that he'd be offering new proposals "week by week" to create jobs, though he provided no details.

Despite Obama's calls for urgent action on the economy, Congress has left Washington for its August recess and Obama will soon follow for his annual summer vacation in Martha's Vineyard.

Obama urged lawmakers to get to work in September and pass a series of initiatives the White House says will spur job growth, including an extension of the payroll tax cut, three free-trade agreements and funding for road and bridge construction.

Obama has touted spending on clean-energy technologies as a job creator, and on advanced batteries such as those made at the Johnson Controls plant in Holland, Mich., as a way to boost U.S. auto companies.

Obama won Michigan in the 2008 presidential election and the economically battered state is crucial to his re-election hopes in 2012.

After the Michigan stop, Obama attended a pair of fundraisers in lower Manhattan that raised more than $2 million.

He attended a reception with about 15 people at the Ritz-Carlton hotel in Battery Park that was thrown by Gary Hirshberg, chief executive of organic yogurt maker Stonyfield Farm, before heading to dinner at Weinstein's brick row house. Weinstein and Vogue editor-in-chief Anna Wintour were hosts.

Other notables seated at the round dinner tables were New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, singers Alicia Keys and Chris Martin, who is Paltrow's husband, Gayle King and designer Vera Wang. Obama's motorcade passed by ground zero on the way to the dinner.

The $35,800 admission price is the legal maximum donation per person. Obama's campaign keeps $5,000 and the Democratic National Committee pockets the remaining $30,800.

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Associated Press writers Tim Martin in Holland, Mich., and Jeff Karoub in Detroit contributed to this report.
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:57 AM   #2
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:07 AM   #3
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He's right. It's what I've been saying for the better part of the last two decades

With brief exceptions (the aftermath of 9/11, for example) it's been this way since the Iran-Contra years, through the Clinton and W. years....and it's merely gotten worse. Both parties need to grow the hell up.
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:10 AM   #4
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:31 AM   #5
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He's right. It's what I've been saying for the better part of the last two decades

With brief exceptions (the aftermath of 9/11, for example) it's been this way since the Iran-Contra years, through the Clinton and W. years....and it's merely gotten worse. Both parties need to grow the hell up.
I often find your fence straddling annoying because it seems like the act of a liberal at heart trying to seek acceptance from a bunch of right wing fuktards.

But it at the end of the day it is true, the politics are damaging the country. I don't think it will get better either. People are more concerned about finger pointing than compromising for the betterment of the country.

It doesn't help the government is totally corrupt with politicians completely bought off with elections funded by corporations and policy determined on behalf lobbyists rather than the people.

We are a nation in complete decline.
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He's right. It's what I've been saying for the better part of the last two decades

With brief exceptions (the aftermath of 9/11, for example) it's been this way since the Iran-Contra years, through the Clinton and W. years....and it's merely gotten worse. Both parties need to grow the hell up.
I think the point is that Obama has only increased this problem, therefore he shouldn't be bitching about it. But then again, this is the administration of problems always being somebody else's fault, so I guess he's pretty consistent.
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I often find your fence straddling annoying because it seems like the act of a liberal at heart trying to seek acceptance from a bunch of right wing fuktards.

But it at the end of the day it is true, the politics are damaging the country. I don't think it will get better either. People are more concerned about finger pointing than compromising for the betterment of the country.

It doesn't help the government is totally corrupt with politicians completely bought off with elections funded by corporations and policy determined on behalf lobbyists rather than the people.

We are a nation in complete decline.
Fence-straddling is exactly what good politics in a republic is all about. Consensus, compromise, and ultimately finding the middle ground that best serves the public good. Washington warned us about this as he was leaving office--the dangers of extreme partisan politics...and, historically at critical times (when we have to do it, or else,) we have been able to rise above it--and get past it.

During the last 20-30 years it's become so entrenched, that like you, I'm not optimistic that we are going to ever get past it again. Both parties insist on digging in their heels, that "gridlock" of the 80s and 90s has become virtually a total shutdown of the ability to govern effectively.

Personally, I'm a fan of gridlock; the government that governs best is a government that governs least...and all that. EXCEPT, the world and society have become far too complex and interdependent that government's role has emerged as an arbiter and referee to prevent abuses and exploitation. Governments cannot allow greed and corruption to destroy what previous generations have built. Right now, government is on the verge of allowing a privileged elite to destroy the nation that we became in the 20th century--by gutting the middle class.

We are on the verge of a second Gilded Age. My fervent hope is that we will find politicians with the courage and leadership abilities of those that fought the special interests and lobbyists, then, whose only real focus is on me-me-me, rather than a government of, by, and for the people.
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I think the point is that Obama has only increased this problem, therefore he shouldn't be bitching about it. But then again, this is the administration of problems always being somebody else's fault, so I guess he's pretty consistent.
I would argue that demagoguery, as practiced by the lunatic fringe on both sides, and as illustrated by the birthers and the tea party (and, yes, Michael Moore, Keith Olberman, and MSNBC types,) are MUCH more responsible for this problem.
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Fence-straddling is exactly what good politics in a republic is all about. Consensus, compromise, and ultimately finding the middle ground that best serves the public good. Washington warned us about this as he was leaving office--the dangers of extreme partisan politics...and, historically at critical times (when we have to do it, or else,) we have been able to rise above it--and get past it.

During the last 20-30 years it's become so entrenched, that like you, I'm not optimistic that we are going to ever get past it again. Both parties insist on digging in their heels, that "gridlock" of the 80s and 90s has become virtually a total shutdown of the ability to govern effectively.

Personally, I'm a fan of gridlock; the government that governs best is a government that governs least...and all that. EXCEPT, the world and society have become far too complex and interdependent that government as an arbiter and referee to prevent abuses and exploitation. Governments cannot allow greed and corruption to destroy what previous generations have built. Right now, government is on the verge of allowing a privileged elite to destroy the nation that we became in the 20th century--by gutting the middle class.

We are on the verge of a second Gilded Age. My fervent hope is that we will find politicians with the courage and leadership abilities of those that fought the special interests and lobbyists whose only real focus is on me-me-me, rather than a government of, by, and for the people.
Great post.
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Governments cannot allow greed and corruption to destroy what previous generations have built. Right now, government is on the verge of allowing a privileged elite to destroy the nation that we became in the 20th century--by gutting the middle class.

We are on the verge of a second Gilded Age. My fervent hope is that we will find politicians with the courage and leadership abilities of those that fought the special interests and lobbyists, then, whose only real focus is on me-me-me, rather than a government of, by, and for the people.
Agreed. The problem is the government (both parties) is bought and paid for by those elite you mention which is exactly why they are "allowing" this to happen.
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I think the point is that Obama has only increased this problem, therefore he shouldn't be bitching about it. But then again, this is the administration of problems always being somebody else's fault, so I guess he's pretty consistent.
Exactly.
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Agreed. The problem is the government (both parties) is bought and paid for by those elite you mention which is exactly why they are "allowing" this to happen.
Not to mention the fact that the Government (Congress and the President) are among those elite.
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