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Old 08-18-2011, 09:01 AM  
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Violence breaks out on Madrid's streets on eve of Pope's visit

Violence flared last night as a demonstration against the Pope's arrival in Madrid turned ugly.

Anti-Pope protesters marched on the Spanish capital's central Sol plaza to voice their concerns about the 50 million euro price tag of the four-day trip.

But what was being billed as a peaceful protest changed when marchers began taunting the thousands of pilgrims who were congregating in the area.

Police, who forced the marchers from the square, arrested eight protesters. A total of 11 people were reportedly injured.

The marchers included the 15-M 'indignant' movement, which is against the government's austerity drive. Gay rights groups and others who oppose Catholic teaching were also in attendance.

15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1VOQPJXZZ


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Old 08-18-2011, 09:05 AM   #2
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Maybe they're communists. Remember what the Spanish commies did to Catholics at one time?
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:06 AM   #3
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Maybe they're communists. Remember what the Spanish commies did to Catholics at one time?
15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

That about sums it up.
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:09 AM   #4
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Maybe they're communists. Remember what the Spanish commies did to Catholics at one time?
remember what the catholics did to the spanish?
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:14 AM   #5
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remember what the catholics did to the spanish?
You mean the Spanish to the Spanish?

Or the Spanish to the Jews and Arabs?

Something about Spanish blood. Or rather that, they mix govt and religion as part of their system.
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:15 AM   #6
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15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

That about sums it up.
Isn't religion part of govt there?
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:18 AM   #7
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Isn't religion part of govt there?
Isn't corruption part of our govt here?
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:38 AM   #8
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Isn't corruption part of our govt here?
Well, my point is you get this type of thing when religion is part of a govt—especially the funds part. This is one reason why the Spanish Inquisition was so bad. The Italian Inquisition was milder and it was the state that carried out the executions.
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:48 AM   #9
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Okay, I looked it up to find out.

It was at one time part of the state, as I mentioned, with little toleration allowed for others. It gradually changed through a few Constitutions.

The 1978 Constitution does grant the right to religious freedom for Spaniards and the process of disestablishing the Catholic Church began.

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Article 16 disestablishes Roman Catholicism as the official religion and provides that religious liberty for non-Catholics is a state-protected legal right, thereby replacing the policy of limited toleration of non-Catholic religious practices.

The article further states, however, that "The public authorities shall take the religious beliefs of Spanish society into account and shall maintain the consequent relations of cooperation with the Catholic Church and the other confessions." In addition, Article 27 also aroused controversy by appearing to pledge continuing government subsidies for private, church-affiliated schools. These schools were sharply criticized by Spanish Socialists for having created and perpetuated a class-based, separate, and unequal school system. The Constitution, however, includes no affirmation that the majority of Spaniards are Catholics or that the state should take into account the teachings of Catholicism.
There's more in the link on how it still has some state connections to the Church particularly schools and how Catholics can designate a certain portion of their taxes to be diverted directly to the Church.

http://countrystudies.us/spain/44.htm
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15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

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