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Will the "Thomases" eventually stop Obamacare?

One "excellent" read but very long. I only pasted the first segment here in this thread so just go to the link for the rest. For those who bought into the argument that Clarence Thomas just shadows Scalia and is no intellectual giant better think again.

Toobin of the New Yorker who is a big Progressive Lib writes an excellent piece about Thomas and his wife and how they are working against Obamacare and creating the "Constitutional Infrastructure Argument" ahead of time so as to defeat Obamacare by the time it hits the SC for a decision.

Toobin writes this piece IMO for 2 big reasons. 1)He is alerting his Marxist friends that Thomas is not F'ing around and is to be taken serious because he has been very successful in any legal argument against liberalism he pursues. 2) Which means now the "Alinskyizing of Clarence and his wife must begin with the intensity never seen before in hopes that the public will want Thomas to be recused, step down because of a conflict of interest.

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Will Clarence and Virginia Thomas succeed in killing Obama’s health-care plan? by Jeffrey Toobin

August 29, 2011 .As the Justice has assumed an influential role on the Roberts Court, his wife has helped lead the public war against the Administration.

It has been, in certain respects, a difficult year for Clarence Thomas. In January, he was compelled to amend several years of the financial-disclosure forms that Supreme Court Justices must file each year. The document requires the Justices to disclose the source of all income earned by their spouses, and Thomas had failed to note that his wife, Virginia, who is known as Ginni, worked as a representative for a Michigan college and at the Heritage Foundation.

The following month, seventy-four members of Congress called on Thomas to recuse himself from any legal challenges to President Obama’s health-care reform, because his wife has been an outspoken opponent of the law. At around the same time, Court observers noted the fifth anniversary of the last time that Thomas had asked a question during an oral argument. The confluence of these events produced the kind of public criticism, and even mockery, that Thomas had largely managed to avoid since his tumultuous arrival on the Court, twenty years ago this fall.

These tempests obscure a larger truth about Thomas: that this year has also been, for him, a moment of triumph. In several of the most important areas of constitutional law, Thomas has emerged as an intellectual leader of the Supreme Court. Since the arrival of Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr., in 2005, and Justice Samuel A. Alito, Jr., in 2006, the Court has moved to the right when it comes to the free-speech rights of corporations, the rights of gun owners, and, potentially, the powers of the federal government; in each of these areas, the majority has followed where Thomas has been leading for a decade or more. Rarely has a Supreme Court Justice enjoyed such broad or significant vindication.

The conventional view of Thomas takes his lack of participation at oral argument as a kind of metaphor. The silent Justice is said to be an intellectual nonentity, a cipher for his similarly conservative colleague, Antonin Scalia. But those who follow the Court closely find this stereotype wrong in every particular. Thomas has long been a favorite of conservatives, but they admire the Justice for how he gives voice to their cause, not just because he votes their way. “Of the nine Justices presently on the Court, he is the one whose opinions I enjoy reading the most,” Steve Calabresi, a professor at the Northwestern University School of Law and a co-founder of the Federalist Society, said. “They are very scholarly, with lots of historical sources, and his views are the most principled, even among the conservatives. He has staked out some bold positions, and then the Court has set out and moved in his direction.”

Thomas’s intellect and his influence have also been recognized by those who generally disagree with his views. According to Akhil Reed Amar, a professor at Yale Law School, Thomas’s career resembles that of Hugo Black, the former Alabama senator who served from 1937 to 1971 and is today universally regarded as a major figure in the Court’s history. “Both were Southerners who came to the Court young and with very little judicial experience,” Amar said. (Thomas is from Georgia.) “Early in their careers, they were often in dissent, sometimes by themselves, but they were content to go their own way. But once Earl Warren became Chief Justice the Court started to come to Black. It’s the same with Thomas and the Roberts Court. Thomas’s views are now being followed by a majority of the Court in case after case.”


The implications of Thomas’s leadership for the Court, and for the country, are profound. Thomas is probably the most conservative Justice to serve on the Court since the nineteen-thirties. More than virtually any of his colleagues, he has a fully wrought judicial philosophy that, if realized, would transform much of American government and society. Thomas’s views both reflect and inspire the Tea Party movement, which his wife has helped lead almost since its inception. The Tea Party is a diffuse operation, and it can be difficult to pin down its stand on any given issue. Still, the Tea Party is unusual among American political movements in its commitment to a specific view of the Constitution—one that accords, with great precision, with Thomas’s own approach. For decades, various branches of the conservative movement have called for a reduction in the size of the federal government, but for the Tea Party, and for Thomas, small government is a constitutional command.

In his jurisprudence, Thomas may be best known for his belief in a “color-blind Constitution”; that is, one that forbids any form of racial preference or affirmative action. But color blind, for Thomas, is not blind to race. Thomas finds a racial angle on a broad array of issues, including those which appear to be scarcely related to traditional civil rights, like campaign finance or gun control. In Thomas’s view, the Constitution imposes an ideal of racial self-sufficiency, an extreme version of the philosophy associated with Booker T. Washington, whose portrait hangs in his chambers. (This personal gallery also includes Frederick Douglass, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, and Margaret Thatcher.)

In recent weeks, two federal courts of appeals have reached opposing conclusions about the constitutionality of the 2010 health-care law; the Sixth Circuit, in Cincinnati, upheld it, while the Eleventh Circuit, in Atlanta, struck down its requirement that all Americans buy health insurance. This conflict means that the Supreme Court will almost certainly agree to review the case this fall, with a decision expected by June of next year. It is likely to be the most important case for the Justices since Bush v. Gore, and it will certainly be the clearest test yet of Thomas’s ascendancy at the Court. Thomas’s entire career as a judge has been building toward the moment when he would be able to declare that law unconstitutional. It would be not only a victory for his approach to the Constitution but also, it seems, a defeat for the enemies who have pursued him for so long: liberals, law professors, journalists—the group that Thomas refers to collectively as “the élites.” Thomas’s triumph over the health-care law and its supporters is by no means assured, but it is now tantalizingly within reach.



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Old 08-31-2011, 12:20 PM   #16
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The OP is pretty much comically wrong. Thomas hasn't moved the Court to the right -- Bush's appointments did. He has rarely influenced the other members of the Court to move off their usual positions, and he hasn't proven himself capable of much intellectual firepower in his written opinions.

He was poorly qualified (to say the least) when appointed, and mainly seemed to fit the bill as a young black conservative. He has now been on the bench for over 20 years. We know all we really need to know about him at this point, and it's hardly impressive.

Compare to Scalia, who is ideologically similar but of far greater intellectual heft.
Translation: Black man dumb, white man smart.

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Translation: Black man dumb, white man smart.

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Old 08-31-2011, 08:24 PM   #19
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You're wrong at a fundamental level. Generally, oral argument is standard for all briefs on important matters in all federal and state courts, from trial court all the way through the appeals court.

Presumably judges across all levels are not just "interested in their place in history and their legacy." So we have 200+ years of experience in federal court and state courts, at all levels on the one side, and one rather odd duck who finds no use for them on the other.
I'm not talking about the district or appellate levels where an issue might be novel and an argument unexplored. At the supreme court level, hundreds of hours has been invested into the issue by dozens of people and several judges. Everything there is to be said, has been said. At that point in the supreme court, they already basically know what they will do. This oral argument dance is a fun exercise for them, and a sideshow for us.
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I'm not talking about the district or appellate levels where an issue might be novel and an argument unexplored. At the supreme court level, hundreds of hours has been invested into the issue by dozens of people and several judges. Everything there is to be said, has been said. At that point in the supreme court, they already basically know what they will do. This oral argument dance is a fun exercise for them, and a sideshow for us.

eh. Agree to disagree. You paint the oral argument as useless. I think that is incorrect. I do think, however, that sometimes the judges may be asking questions to persuade other judges who may be on the fence to change sides. But that too makes it something other than a pointless exercise.
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I'll apologize in advance for my ignorance. I've seen you use the term "Alinskyize" several times on this forum, but I don't understand what you mean.

I've even Googled the term, and I assume that you're using it in reference to Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, but I don't get what you're saying.
What the Apostle Paul who wrote most of the New Testament is for Christians is what Saul Alinsky is for Marxists/Communists who wrote as you said "Rules for Radicals". Alinsky is worshipped by the radical Left and especially Obama who taught Alinsky but not in a negative light but rather a roadmap of necessity to follow in order to 'destroy' or should I say 'transform' America. Rules for Radicals is the Marxist Lefties "New Testament". Obama loves Alinsky. He has followed "Rules" to the tee since he has been in office.

When I use the term "Alinskyize" I don't mean making someone a disciple of Alinsky but it refers to a more 'advanced demagoguery' of their political enemy. Alinskyize has more of a purpose than just 'demogoguery in general' that meets the Marxists agenda. They will "Alinskyize" anything "Conservative" be it person, value, political movement, you name it. Conservatism is how America(warts and all) came to be plain and simple

Here is an article written in 2009 that I think will put it in perspective for you. And this is what they will begin to do to CT in due time.

April 24, 2009
Obama, Alinsky, and Scapegoats
By James Lewis
'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.'
- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.


That's what Barack Obama taught his ACORN followers in all his Community Agitator classes in Chicago. That slogan defines mob scapegoating, of course. It is an exact prescription for whipping up mobs -- by race, by gender, by ethnicity, by religion. If you want to know how to whip a mob of Pakistani Taliban fascisti to whip a young girl for flirting with a young man in public, this is exactly what you do: Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personality It, and Polarize It.


And notice that "the target" is no longer a human being. It's an "It." Try substituting the word "victim" for "target," and you see how it works.


This is exactly what the Dixiecrats did to blacks in the Jim Crow South, and what President Obama does today with capitalists who run General Motors and Wall Street.


So the purported comedienne Janeane Garofolo interprets the anti-tax tea parties as obviously racist. You see, Ms. Garofolo can read minds, in spite of all the obvious decency of the tea party protesters. And Obama's Department of Homeland Security has now pinpointed our chief terrorist danger: It's "right-wing extremists," including Iraq War vets coming back home.


In psychiatry, scapegoating is called "displacement of rage," and it is often said to be a low-level defense, one that comes easily to people who are already emotionally troubled or impaired. With mature adults scapegoating doesn't work very well -- not unless you can make them into insecure wrecks by destroying their incomes, for example. That's what happened to the German middle class in the Weimar Republic. It's what will happen in this country if the economy fails to recover. That is why it is so vital to keep the administration from its most extreme spending plans, which could harm the economy if the Democrats in Congress are foolish enough.


Scapegoating is very simple, and very malevolent. It is the defining feature of human destructiveness. All the truly irrational actions in human history involve displaced rage. Pathological societies in the world are always torn by a search for new scapegoats.


Scapegoating is a really effective manipulation for mobs that have long ago decided that their real enemy is... anybody. Because that overwhelming feeling of rising rage matters much more than whoever is the victim of the moment. That overwhelming tension is intolerable and seeks an outlet.


For instance, the target could be the kulaks.


"Comrades! ... You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public sees) at least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the bloodsuckers. ... This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: let's choke and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks. ...
Yours, Lenin." (italics added)


That's Lenin the mob leader after the Bolshevik revolution. 'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.' The kulaks were Russian peasants who owned a couple of cows instead of just a scrawny goat like most others, and therefore provided juicy hate objects for the mob. Lenin knew how to whip up those mobs because that's how it was done during the four centuries of Romanov rule before the Revolution. It is deeply ingrained in Russian folklore -- you can see it in the opera Boris Godunov, where a pair of Orthodox priests whip up a mob to kill two Catholic priests, foreigners from Poland. That was just before 1500 AD.


Scapegoating is emotional high explosive that you can direct at will, like those fire-spewing proton packs in the movie Ghostbusters. You just 'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.' It's like pulling a trigger on human emotions and watching the human target get blown away. We've seen it ever since the Boomer Left took over the media, most recently with the abuse heaped upon George W. Bush.


Saul Alinsky was born in 1909 of Russian Jewish parents in New York City. Why was the Alinsky family living in America in 1909 rather than Minsk or Pinsk or Omsk or Chomsk? Because they fled the Russian pogroms of 1890-1910, like thousands of other Jews.


I don't know if Alinsky's parents were direct victims of the peasant mobs, but chances are that his aunts or uncles or grandparents must have been. I have a friend whose grandmother was knouted to death by Cossacks in Poland in the 1920's. I don't think her grandchildren and great-children have ever come to terms with that horror, even though they are living in the next century in America. It is a multigenerational trauma. Horrific traumas can have that effect. In the Jim Crow South blacks were scapegoated by the very same kinds of mobs, led by the very same kinds of agitators -- virtually all of them white Democrats. It seems that some blacks are still experiencing the emotional ripple-effects, decades later.


Now follow this closely: The Alinsky family fled to the United States because life was intolerable in the old country. They found safety in America. Emma Lazarus was another Jewish immigrant, who understood the difference between the Old and New World well enough. She wrote about the Statue of Liberty,


"A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame."


Emma Lazarus must have been an extraordinary woman, because her poem brims with gratitude for the New World: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...".


That is a very different feeling than the young Saul Alinsky harbored. Little Saul must have seen the Statue of Liberty often enough on the skyline of his childhood. But he never understood it the way Emma Lazarus did. We can only wonder why, because thousands upon thousands of persecuted refugees kept flowing into New York City when he was growing up.


And then little Saul grew up and wrote Rules for Radicals, and dedicated his life to ... the very same art of whipping up mobs that his parents fled from. Rules for Radicals might have been written by a medieval mob agitator; only a few words need to be changed. 'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.' Substitute "heretic" or "witch" for "target" and you have all the religious persecutions in human history. Substitute "blacks," and you have a Dixiecrat lynch mob. Substitute "whites," and you have all of J-Wright's sermons at Trinity United, Chicago. It's all the same thing. Human nature doesn't change. Alinsky:


"Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution."


Funny thing is, Emma Lazarus thought that America was the revolution those huddled masses were looking for.


Alinsky did not write his little book of Rules against the Tsar of Russia, nor against mob demagogues in general; rather, he wrote it in a rage against free market wealth, against capitalist individualism, against the prosperous middle class and its most successful home, the United States of America. Alinsky became the hero for other agitators -- people who used to call themselves "communist agitators." Those were not shameful words when little Saul was growing up, they were proud words.


Agitare comes from the Latin word for "stirring up," the same root as the word "activist." A "community activist" is just a slightly different name for the old phrase "communist agitator" -- one who stirs up a group, just like those old hairy demagogues in Tsarist Russia and Poland, and then in Soviet Russia, Germany, China and Cambodia, in Rwanda and Kosovo, the Punjab and Indonesia ....


Question: How is it that little Saul Alinsky, child and grandchild of victims, became the new persecutor?


Here is a strange twist of fate. Starting with the huge expansion of the US college campuses in the Sixties, Saul Alinsky's little book went viral. Alienated middle-class kids with no personal experience of poverty or suffering -- in the sense that blacks knew it in the South and the Jews and many others in Europe and Asia -- they all went around with Alinsky's Rules for Radicals in their backpacks. Radicalism became romantic. Alienated and ignorant kids yearned to become Che Guevara and kill the capitalists. That's how rich kids like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn learned their theology. It's how they became heroes in their own eyes. Such saintly people, giving their all for the poor and helpless.


Hillary Rodham complained about her authoritarian father when she was a child, and instantly on getting to Wellesley she fell for Saul Alinsky and his Rules, and became an admiring disciple of the Master of Scapegoating. Hillary's first major political act was to join the staff of the Senate Watergate Committee, where she wrote a legal brief for the Committee on why President Richard Nixon should not, repeat not, be allowed legal counsel in his impending impeachment and trial.


'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.'


See how it works?


So the persecuted become the persecutors. Hillary the victimized child -- at least in her own mind -- became the really visceral hater of the Clinton White House. The black victims of mobs in the South had children and grand-children, some of whom -- by no means all -- became the Reverend J-Wright, or Louis Farrakhan. The children of victims of Russian persecution, some of them -- by no means all -- became romantic Alinsky radicals. Those children of wealth worshipped men of violence, and sanitized them -- Che, Mao, Fidel, Carlos the Jackal, Ayers, Mumiah, the list goes on.


The Reverend J-Wright preaches mob incitement. It's all over his sermons. His younger successor in the same church, Rev. James Moss III, has his own style of incitement. He tells his congregation that black people will never be accepted by whites; they are lepers, with an ugly skin condition that makes them diseased outcasts forever. Sweet, ain't it? The worst Dixiecrat agitator during Jim Crow couldn't have put it worse than that.


Take the rage that people feel and direct it to the most convenient human victim. 'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.' J-Wright started life as a Black Muslim, as he tells it, and then studied Black Liberation Theology. What's BLT? Well, Pope Benedict says it's a cover name for Marxism. In this case, racial Marxism. Which brings us right back to Lenin whipping up the Bolshevik mobs to kill the kulaks.


It doesn't matter where you direct the rage. Brazil's Marxist president Lula blames "white people with blue eyes." We are living in a time of reverse racism, having flipped Dixiecrat racism to the other side. The tragedy is that we have not transcended race, not and as long as racial demagogues can squeeze this new hatred for money and power. The Obamas are the very incarnation of reverse racism. That is why they felt the need to show contempt to the Queen of England, and to bow down to the pre-medieval King of Saudi Arabia. In the next four years, or eight, or longer, you will see them do that over and over and over again, because that is their lifelong obsession.


Barack Obama and Michelle attended J-Wright's church for twenty years, and had their little girls baptized and raised at Trinity United. Our President was brought up by a mother who was a young college radical from Mercer Island, WA, and Kansas. His absentee father in Kenya was a proud post-colonial socialist -- until, it seems, he ran into trouble with Jomo Kenyatta and had two car accidents in a row; the second one of which killed him. But Barack Obama didn't draw the rather obvious lesson that his father may have been assassinated by a typical post-colonial tyrant. Instead, he adopted the side of the persecutor in the same way the young Saul Alinsky did. Obama grew up in his early years in Indonesia, where hundreds of thousands of ethnic Chinese had recently been massacred by -- you guessed it -- raging ethnic mobs looking for scapegoats. Oddly enough those Indonesian massacres are not mentioned in Obama's two autobiographies.


Obama's first boyhood mentor was the CPUSA's guy in Hawaii, a black man filled with racial rage and resentment, and little Barry was handed on from one radical friend to the next, in a long chain by way of Harvard Law to the Chicago Democrat Machine. The one big gap in his autobiography is his college years at Columbia, but knowing what we know we can fill that in pretty well. He married Michelle, herself a daughter of an African-American ward boss and friend of Jesse Jackson, who made a brilliant career out of scapegoating corporations for money, power and personal fame. Then Barack was taught politics by Emile Jones, the political godfather of Southside.


There's only one useful rule for predicting human beings:


People tend to do in the future what they did in the past.


So Barack Obama is now President of the United States.


What will he do?


How about 'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It?'


There go those AIG bonus guys. Let's tax ninety percent of their bonuses and smear them in the media. Done.


There goes Rick Wagoner. Let's kill his career at GM. Done.


Let's try to rouse up the mob against Rush Limbaugh. Oops! Forget it --- he's got his own megaphone. Next time just go for the ones who can't protest.


Now he darkly threatens trying officials responsible for making policy in the Bush administration.


Life will be so much better then, won't it?


Or will it?

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This is what they are doing to the Tea Party right now branding them as racists who want to lynch blacks
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This is what they are doing to the Tea Party right now branding them as racists who want to lynch blacks
It's almost like you -- branding people, including the President, as persons who want to destroy America. It's a desperate exaggeration based on fear and hopelessness.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:48 PM   #24
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It's almost like you -- branding people, including the President, as persons who want to destroy America. It's a desperate exaggeration based on fear and hopelessness.
Hopelessness caused by a President who wants to destroy America.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:51 PM   #25
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It's a desperate exaggeration based on fear and hopelessness.
Desperate exaggeration?????????????????????????

Uh how about Maxine Waters and Andre Carson. They are for real you naive pretentious turd!!!
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:30 AM   #27
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I posted this in another thread, but it belongs here:

My wife works in HR, and basically says that companies are scrambling right now to find the loopholes in ObamaCare. She says the first one that companies are eyeing is the one that says you don't have to provide healthcare for workers under 30 hours. She says that 20-25 hour work weeks are going to be a common thing in the near future. She sees a day where many people have two 20 hour jobs thanks to this mess.
If anyone has been following the news lately - this was dead on. A lot of companies in the news right now for cutting hours to avoid Obamacare.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:39 AM   #28
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If anyone has been following the news lately - this was dead on. A lot of companies in the news right now for cutting hours to avoid Obamacare.
that could(and will be) described as job growth due to Obamacare...
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:58 AM   #29
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that could(and will be) described as job growth due to Obamacare...
Yep, Chicago math for all Liberals.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:03 AM   #30
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If anyone has been following the news lately - this was dead on. A lot of companies in the news right now for cutting hours to avoid Obamacare.
Much more of this to come. Also the dropping of benefit plans in favor of paying the penalty by many employers.Rates will be going up.

May will end up with insurance plans inferior to the plans they used to get through their employers.

All part of the design to push people to a single payer plan.
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