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Old 10-05-2011, 05:39 PM  
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(AP) -- Apple says Steve Jobs has died.


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Old 10-06-2011, 10:32 PM   #271
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They absolutely would have and did.
They already were there and didn't.
Badly worded on my part. This is not what I meant to say.

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You seem to be conflating marketing with innovation. They are discrete entities.
I've worked in both Marketing and Marketing Innovation. This mentality that they're discrete is exactly the reason why Apple succeeded while competitors failed. The core of marketing is about knowing who your customer is and then giving them what they want. Competitors built mp3s/phones/etc... that delighted the same geeks who developed the products. Apple built their products with the average consumer in mind, and they focused not just on the product, but on the whole user experience.

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iTunes was not a revolutionary idea, it was borrowed from 10+ year old technology at the time of its release.

The iPhone was a more marketable Palm Treo
If you don't think iTunes was revolutionary, you should think back to how frustrating it was to load music onto competitive mp3 players. iTunes was the first software system to integrate everything about music into one platform. You could buy music, share music, build playlists... and then quickly transfer music to your iPod or someone else's. They took an old system and put a massive user facelift to it, something nobody else was doing.

The Treo didn't have wifi, media capability, or the multi-touch we used today (it was geared more toward styluses), and the enormous resolution fullscreens. Not to mention wifi access. It was the most integrated phone at the time by a longshot.


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Apple hasn't created anything truly revolutionary in many years. What they have done, masterfully, I might add, is create the belief that their products are revolutionary because of the way they market them.
They didn't create the belief that their products were revolutionary. They didn't just manipulate people into buying their brand. They were the only company that understood what their customer wanted and built a product for them in a way nobody else did. That's extremely revolutionary.

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These products had already had many years in which they were floating in your "life cycle chasm". Apple was prescient enough to see when those technologies were gaining momentum and adopters. By no means did they act as a tipping point for the adoption of those technologies.
The other technologies never crossed the chasm because they were made for geeks. They had horrible storage memory, limited music libraries, were horribly difficult to buy music for (in most cases, were subscription-based), and were often difficult to even use. Again, integration. They integrated the entire experience together seamlessly while competitors made it ridiculously difficult and frustrating. Because Apple became the universally accepted standard for mp3 players, that was the first time the music industry was ever bullied into backing into demands of an online music distributor. That included offering songs at $.99, which the music industry furiously resisted.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:36 PM   #272
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you should think back to how frustrating it was to load music onto competitive mp3 players.


Funny how iTunes became known as a piece of shit compared to the simple hard-drive drag and drop mp3 players.

Worst piece of crap bloatware I've ever known.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:40 PM   #273
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:59 PM   #274
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Funny how iTunes became known as a piece of shit compared to the simple hard-drive drag and drop mp3 players.

Worst piece of crap bloatware I've ever known.
Not really that funny. Revolutionary technology forces competition to one-up. I love my Droid a lot more than I do an iPhone, but it doesn't change the fact that Droid was created to one-up the iPhone.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:00 PM   #275
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In a few interviews, Jobs hinted at his early experience with the psychedelic drug LSD. Of Microsoft founder Bill Gates, Jobs said: "I wish him the best, I really do. I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger."
The connection has enough weight that Albert Hofmann, the Swiss scientist who first synthesized (and took) LSD, appealed to Jobs for funding for research about the drug's therapeutic use.

In a book interview, Jobs called his experience with the drug "one of the two or three most important things I have done in my life." As Jobs himself has suggested, LSD may have contributed to the "think different" approach that still puts Apple's designs a head above the competition.

Jobs will forever be a visionary, and his personal life also reflects the forward-thinking, alternative approach that vaulted Apple to success. During a trip to India, Jobs visited a well-known ashram and returned to the U.S. as a Zen Buddhist.

Jobs was also a pescetarian who didn't consume most animal products, and didn't eat meat other than fish. A strong believer in Eastern medicine, he sought to treat his own cancer through alternative approaches and specialized diets before reluctantly seeking his first surgery for a cancerous tumor in 2004.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:48 AM   #276
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:20 AM   #277
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Thank you Benjamin Franklin, John Rockefeller, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Walt Disney....etc etc etc


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Old 10-07-2011, 01:23 AM   #278
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Thomas Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, either. Just sayin'.
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:35 AM   #282
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Thomas Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, either. Just sayin'.
Henry Ford didn't invent the car. Jobs was way more than Ford maybe less than Edison.
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:41 AM   #283
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Yeah. I'm just saying that if one wants to be completely obtuse about his accomplishments, they could just say that cell phones were only evolutionary (as opposed to revolutionary) in the first place. I mean, it's just a car phone without the box, which was just a telephone without the wires, which was just a telegraph with voice, which was just a smoke signal with sound.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:23 AM   #284
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Yeah. I'm just saying that if one wants to be completely obtuse about his accomplishments, they could just say that cell phones were only evolutionary (as opposed to revolutionary) in the first place. I mean, it's just a car phone without the box, which was just a telephone without the wires, which was just a telegraph with voice, which was just a smoke signal with sound.
I'd like to point out, I am not at all taking away from the many things he really did accomplish... but I just would like a little perspective on a bad person who did a number of things (I won't judge on whether they were good or bad...) but the one thing I KNOW (yes, there is that word again) he was NOT a good person... and no ****ing amount of diffusion or deflection on your part will ever change that FACT.

Another prime example of this http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=265

and I could fill this thread with HUNDREDS of more...

So, in summation... visionary, influential person who also happened to be an asshole who couldn't control his temper... dead at far too young. That's my take on it.. and I'm sick and ****ing tired of hearing him beatified.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:28 AM   #285
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Henry Ford didn't invent the car. Jobs was way more than Ford maybe less than Edison.
I really really don't care for Ford.. his cars or his humanity... (Inkster? really?) but if you honestly think Jobs had anywhere CLOSE the influence Ford had on the world than you are beyond piss ignorant...

Hamas has by far the best take on this in the entire thread... Jobs was the Giorgio Armani of tech. FORM far above function... but even I will admit... massively effective in marketing it as such.
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