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Old 10-11-2011, 08:40 PM  
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Homeland on Showtime

Looks promising. Lots of good actors and a premise with lots of potential.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:13 AM   #61
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As much as I loved 24, that plot twist with Nina did always piss me off. 24 was great, but it was always an inside mole that was the issue, and it got old.
the fact Jack saved her life in 24 when the terrorists ordered him to kill her, the fact she went out of her way to keep Kim and Terry safe...the fact that she was so distraught about Terry finding out about her and Jack...the fact she was jealous of Terry for getting Jack back...

It was just too unbelievable and when they introduced that plot twist I was just infuriated...

and 24 is probably my favorite show of all time
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:47 AM   #62
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Can'[t believe you guys' opinion on the finale. I found it very gripping and very satisfying.

The tragedy of Carrie not only figuring every bit of it out, but orchestrating the mechanism for calling a halt to it, only to be convinced, not only in the minds of others, but in her own heart, that she was not only wrong but crazy was superb plotting. It's downright Shakespearian that Carries desperate effort to get the daughter to call her father is what saved the day AND that saving the day is why she thinks she's wrong about all of it, and thus crazy in a manner that cannot continue.

The vest malfunction proved that Brody was fully committed to executing the plan, AND gave him the opportunity to truthfully tell Nazir that the failure wasn't his fault [at least for a moment]. There he was, in a room filled with people who have made decision that actually deserve repercussions [though whether a fiery death is the appropriate repercussion is . . . debateable], ready to fulfull Van Stauffenberg's vision for Hitler's inner circle. This would have vindicated Carrie's efforts, but at the same time hand her another failure all the same.

The whole thing continues the season-long motif of what we know to be true depends so strongly on what we actually know, facial expressions are ambiguous, statement have varying levels of import, the littlest details we miss can change the entire situation. We remain is space even after the episode, in that given Brody's aims we don't know how getting close to the VP will play out. Honestly, compared with a terrorist attacker, or even by its own merits outright, is there really that great of a downside to having a confidant to power who has the interests of innocents in mind? It could turn out that he's just a conduit for intel that gets the bad guys out of harms way, but could Brody trust Nazir to mobilize the innocents away from attacks reliably?

And that's just the plot. Words can't express Brody's performance in the safe room, so oppresive, so conflicted, wonderfully acted.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:02 PM   #63
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I thought it worked as an episode. That suicide-bomb switch stuff was pretty intense. Had it ended right after that (at the hour mark) it would have been a great episode, but not a season finale. The extra half hour of stuff wasn't honestly that great. Walker getting killed wasn't a big thing. You knew he was going to die from the beginning. They never developed that character at all. Sure they spent an episode explaining that he loves his kid and calls the house every day, but he had about 20 minutes of screen time total in the season. Killing him wasn't a huge revelation.

I feel that the show played it safe in the finale and failed to take the risk that I expected it to.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:04 PM   #64
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I thought it worked as an episode. That suicide-bomb switch stuff was pretty intense. Had it ended right after that (at the hour mark) it would have been a great episode, but not a season finale. The extra half hour of stuff wasn't honestly that great. Walker getting killed wasn't a big thing. You knew he was going to die from the beginning. They never developed that character at all. Sure they spent an episode explaining that he loves his kid and calls the house every day, but he had about 20 minutes of screen time total in the season. Killing him wasn't a huge revelation.

I feel that the show played it safe in the finale and failed to take the risk that I expected it to.
Carrie figuring it all out for real just before getting the zap was pretty good.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:10 PM   #65
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I thought the acting was superb, don't get me wrong...and I won't pretend to admit that I know everything, I certainly don't, and I'm a very flawed television show watcher. Perhaps Baby Lee nailed it, I was just disappointed personally. I still really enjoyed the season.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:10 PM   #66
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Carrie figuring it all out for real just before getting the zap was pretty good.
Yup, but it wasn't really an, "Oh shit!" moment.

We all already knew that Carrie knows it's Brody.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:11 PM   #67
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Carrie figuring it all out for real just before getting the zap was pretty good.
all she figured out was Brody knew Issa

and if they hadn't sealed the attack she would have figured it out way before that...

that was pretty cool I thought
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:14 PM   #68
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I just can't get behind the idea that Brody cares more about punishing the VP for war crimes and because he lost someone close to him "Issa" than he cares about his own kids and how his actions would ruin their lives forever. I don't care about the whole "Gettysburg" trip where he explains standing up for what you believe...the fact he puts Issa above his own kids is tragic and doesn't really do it for me considering the character he plays.

It no longer really makes sense that he is working for Nazir...since he obviously cares about his daughter, and his daughter talked him out of committing an act of terrorism. I guess they have his suicide tape now as leverage, but still...

I think the story of why Brody is working for Nazir when put together with the love he has for his children just doesn't do it for me...but hey, it's TV fiction so I can't really complain.

I certainly wasn't complaining during all of those 24 seasons that I found absolutely riveting.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:30 PM   #69
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Yup, but it wasn't really an, "Oh shit!" moment.

We all already knew that Carrie knows it's Brody.
That's the thing, since she unwittingly successfully got the daughter to talk Brody down, she's utterly convinced that she had EVERYTHING wrong. That's why she's undergoing ECT. Don't forget she was in love with Brody too. So basically an unstable savante fell in love with someone she was convinced was a terrorist, only to turn out [apparently] he wasn't a terrorist and her conviction that he was has severed all ties to said love.

This is show that rewards paying attention. It can be taxing to keep track of what each character knows or thinks they know and why. But it presents a compelling tapestry where some people are objectively monsters or crackpots or rights violators or terrorists or powermongers, yet when you isolate the information each ACTUALLY has in hand, they are each in turn reacting at the very least quasi-rationally.
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Old 01-15-2012, 06:57 PM   #70
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Homeland just won the golden globe for best drama series, so it is getting some good recognition.
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Old 01-15-2012, 09:08 PM   #71
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Homeland just won the golden globe for best drama series, so it is getting some good recognition.
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I'm not saying it's morally right or wrong, but does it make the child because of it? Think about that for a second.
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Old 08-18-2012, 02:59 PM   #74
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This show was a suprise hit for me last year. Definitely looking forward to watching this season.
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