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Old 12-10-2011, 05:47 PM  
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Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...enhancing-drug

He's facing a 50 game suspension.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:27 PM   #211
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Now, everyone who tests positive will be appealing.
Why do you think they don't? They almost always appeal, and until today they have never won. Its not like everyone told Braun "hey, forget it, appealing is a waste of time, nobody ever appeals" and Braun thought "eh, why not, I'll give it a shot, maybe this appeal thing could work"
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:28 PM   #212
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No, Manny appealed the first time. Retired immediately after the 2nd time and didn't bother appealing.


Oh, Bonds used a whole lot more than that.
lol, He didnt say he didnt take anything though. He just said its for my personal life and i leave that out of the media. He never came out n said, i didnt take anything. Im a Dodger fan believe me, i watched everything about it.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:28 PM   #213
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im sure he did, but my point was that he basically admitted it.
True, but they didn't catch him with their tests, though.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:30 PM   #214
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True, but they didn't catch him with their tests, though.
Yeah, at the time that clear shit was undetectable by the tests they were doing. Now they have tests to see that.

If i remember right that was that new shit that Balco got involved in. Its been a few years, so my memory may be a bit spotty on that.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:31 PM   #215
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It's all there.
I can tell you are driving at something but can't pin it down. Would you mind being specific?
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #216
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lol, He didnt say he didnt take anything though. He just said its for my personal life and i leave that out of the media. He never came out n said, i didnt take anything. Im a Dodger fan believe me, i watched everything about it.
I'm a Manny fan...I remember it well. He did appeal following the news.

What are you saying, though? That every athlete who has ever denied taking PEDs following a positive test was telling the truth?
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #217
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The rumor is that it basically wasn't shipped fast enough because whoever was responsible thought Fedex was closed Saturday evenings that created the chain of custody problem which is kind of laughable that they ****ed something so simple up that badly.
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #218
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:33 PM   #219
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Interesting that you are hinting at baseless accusations yet are afraid to clearly state what you mean.
There is a word for that but I'm not going to say it.
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I'm a Manny fan...I remember it well. He did appeal following the news.

What are you saying, though? That every athlete who has ever denied taking PEDs following a positive test was telling the truth?
Of course not, but in these 2 cases Bonds and Manny, they basically admitted it. I aint stupid, i can read between them big ass lines.

Athletes will continue tot ake steroids and i cant blame them, especially players from piss poor countries. Its like say, i can live like crap in the dominican (aka Manny) or i can take steeroids and earn about 300 million in the USA retire and live the rest of my life as a king in the DR. Hell, i'd do the same. Its a no brainer really.
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Yeah, at the time that clear shit was undetectable by the tests they were doing. Now they have tests to see that.

If i remember right that was that new shit that Balco got involved in. Its been a few years, so my memory may be a bit spotty on that.
They also didn't actually have drug tests in the early 2000s. In the later 2000s, they didn't catch him as he might have been taking something else undetectable (or maybe he wasn't taking anything at all by that point, but I kind of doubt it).
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The rumor is that it basically wasn't shipped fast enough because whoever was responsible thought Fedex was closed Saturday evenings that created the chain of custody problem which is kind of laughable that they ****ed something so simple up that badly.
I hope that is not it. If its a technical violation of the rules for the procedure, so be it, but unless that particular test required that urine be newer than X days to be effective, that wont fly in the court of public opinion.

I'd hope it was more like some random guy in the lab who wasn't authorized took it out of the room and had possession of it for several hours, or it was accidentally contaminated by some Dorito dust from a slob on his lunch break, or something stupid and irresponsible like that.
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Athletes will continue tot ake steroids and i cant blame them, especially players from piss poor countries. Its like say, i can live like crap in the dominican (aka Manny) or i can take steeroids and earn about 300 million in the USA retire and live the rest of my life as a king in the DR. Hell, i'd do the same. Its a no brainer really.
Well...guys like Manny would be playing in the MLB regardless of whether they take PEDs due to sheer talent, but I see your point. And I certainly don't blame anybody for doing it either in that situation.
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Interesting that you are hinting at baseless accusations yet are afraid to clearly state what you mean.
There is a word for that but I'm not going to say it.
Believe what you want about this. Makes no difference to me.
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Heard Braun sample sat with collector all weekend because he thought FedEx was not open to send to lab. This was technicality that

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So it's a technicality that got him off, then? At least that's something more tangible than nothing at all.

You know, assuming this is even entirely correct. MLB is clearly putting this information out there to save face.
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