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Old 12-31-2011, 02:52 PM  
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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
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With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 06-22-2012, 02:33 PM   #4021
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if KC were to acquire a good pitcher, we would essentially be replacing Paulino. If we acquired another, we'd essentially be replacing Duffy... so we're back to square one at that point.. why give up prospects where even if we were to acquire 2 Major league ready starting pitchers, we'd still be short on starting pitching. Don't give up the future... cause in 2 more months this bullpen is going to start to break down and we'll be long out of the race. KC needs to add at the very least THREE Good Starting Pitchers to even think about contending - that ain't a happenin'.
Because pitching prospects don't exist. So if you can exchange them for real ML production, you do it yesterday.

And our division is shit, and we have a real chance to compete. These opportunities shouldn't be passed on.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:35 PM   #4022
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acquiring 3 Major league pitchers is going to take a shit ton of our farm to make happen. Are you ready to bleed it dry? I can guarantee you Dayton isn't.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:36 PM   #4023
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Rany justifiably raising the question about the training staff. Check his recent tweets:

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Old 06-22-2012, 02:38 PM   #4024
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Who do we have that's better at this point for 2B?
Getz, Betancourt, and Falu are all better than him at this point.

Giavotella was given his chance at the beginning of the year, and again when Getz got hurt, and he didn't do anything with his opportunity either time. The "I'm just gonna stare at three consecutive pitches here with the game on the line" at-bat was the last straw.
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acquiring 3 Major league pitchers is going to take a shit ton of our farm to make happen. Are you ready to bleed it dry? I can guarantee you Dayton isn't.
Dayton is largely a ****ing idiot when it comes to assembling a ML roster, so I'm not too concerned about his opinion, to be honest.

We're going to need starting pitching, whether we're competing this year or any time in the next three. We're not going to develop all components of a ML staff, so...Will Glass buy it? Doubt it. Thus, we're going to have to trade prospects. If an opportunity presents itself, you must make the move.

Otherwise, we'll continue to be mediocre at best.
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Cuthbert/Dwyer/Broxton/Francouer/Will Smith/and another minor league pitcher other than Odorizzi to Seattle for Felix... make it hap'n cap'n.

Cuthbert is blocked by Moose anyway

Dwyer and Smith are decent pitching prospects (even though they don't exist Deez)... plus one (other than Odorizzi)

Broxton is at his ceiling for trade value

Francouer has a winning smile and the way for Myers is cleared
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Dayton is largely a ****ing idiot when it comes to assembling a ML roster, so I'm not too concerned about his opinion, to be honest.

We're going to need starting pitching, whether we're competing this year or any time in the next three. We're not going to develop all components of a ML staff, so...Will Glass buy it? Doubt it. Thus, we're going to have to trade prospects. If an opportunity presents itself, you must make the move.

Otherwise, we'll continue to be mediocre at best.
FTR, I didn't mean to come off like an ass in the above post, but I'm just sick of DM treating every single prospect like a golden ****ing goose. Quit telling us that pitching is the currency and then demonstrate that you're scared (or incapable) of spending it.
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I think Seattle would laugh in your face.
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Cuthbert/Dwyer/Broxton/Francouer/Will Smith/and another minor league pitcher other than Odorizzi to Seattle for Felix... make it hap'n cap'n.

Cuthbert is blocked by Moose anyway

Dwyer and Smith are decent pitching prospects (even though they don't exist Deez)... plus one (other than Odorizzi)

Broxton is at his ceiling for trade value

Francouer has a winning smile and the way for Myers is cleared
I think this is way too much filler to get Felix.

Seattle will want prospects if they trade Felix because that will start a total rebuild, so Frenchy and Broxton aren't valuable to them.

Dwyer and Will Smith are fine filler pieces, but Seattle will want at least 2 premium pieces, and I guarantee they will want at least one of Myers, Starling, or Odorizzi.

Maybe a package like Odorizzi, Cuthbert, Ventura, and Dwyer. Even that might be underwhelming to them though.
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Give me your honest opinion on my trade scenario Deez.
they would laugh in dayton's face. broxton is the only worthwhile piece at the moment. cuthbert is having a down year and still a couple years away. dwyer can't get it together and is probably headed for the bullpen. smith is a below average 5th starter at best. frenchy blows.

it would take one of or a combination of butler, hosmer, moose, myers or odorizzi paired with other a-listers. probably either starling or zimmer and possibly montgomery or john lamb.
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Give me your honest opinion on my trade scenario Deez.
It's crap. He'll demand a lot bigger haul than that.
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I'd have no problem moving Starling and I forgot about Ventura.
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acquiring 3 Major league pitchers is going to take a shit ton of our farm to make happen. Are you ready to bleed it dry? I can guarantee you Dayton isn't.
We don’t need 3. One (or possibly 2, JIMP) would be eonugh. But we will have all these guys coming back from injury, and more kids coming up the system. 2013-2016 is the window, not this year (despite how we’ve handled the injuries so far)
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The problem is, you can't really tell what we've got for sure, either with our current starters, or guys in the minors.

1: Hoch: Never tell which Hoch you're gonna get. The unhittable Hoch, or the pussy fold up at first sign of trouble Hoch.

2: Paulino: Great stuff, can't seem to stay off the DL. With the way he throws, may destroy himself soon.

3. Chen: Career .500 pitcher, 4th or 5th starter for most MLB teams. Has been better this year, but age is becoming a factor.

4. Duffy: Probably be two years before he's totally back from TJ surgery.

5. Sanchez: He's the Giants version of Kyle Davies. Deal him, spray the room with Febrese.

6. Mazzaro: I still can't get over the 9 run inning to Cleveland last year. I was there that night. Classic AAAA guy. Not quite major league, better than AAA.

7. Odorizzi: Let's see what we got before we package him up and deal him away. Looking forward to seeing him in the Futures game.

8. Will Smith: Yeah, well....another year at Omaha might do him some good.

9. Adcock. Same thing, not ready yet.

10. Zimmer: Not till 2014 probably.

We're going to have to find at least two, maybe three more starters to contend next year. Guess they better start trying to sew up the position players. At least try to hang on to what we HAVE built successfully.

At least it's not all gloom and doom, as usual by this time of year. We have a fighting chance to be respectable in 2012. I'll take that.
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