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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
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With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 06-22-2012, 04:01 PM   #4036
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IMO there isn't a pitcher worth Myers, Odoreasy, butler.

Not in all of baseball.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:03 PM   #4037
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Especially with the velocity dropping on the king.

And funny that no one bitches about him having that nickname but everyone bashes Lebron over him being called that...
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:06 PM   #4038
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IMO there isn't a pitcher worth Myers, Odoreasy, butler.

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Maybe Verlander but even then those 3 are a lot to give up. I don't think I'd pull the trigger there either simply from a "good years left" standpoint.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:07 PM   #4039
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IMO there isn't a pitcher worth Myers, Odoreasy, butler.

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Verlander.
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Still not in my opinion.not for all three
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Maybe Verlander but even then those 3 are a lot to give up. I don't think I'd pull the trigger there either simply from a "good years left" standpoint.
My point exactly
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:16 PM   #4042
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:19 PM   #4043
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Re: the second round of King Felix talk...

The Mariners have three top-flight pitching prospects (Hultzen, whose ceiling is a No. 2 or 3 starter, Tajuan Walker, James Paxton, who both have No. 1 stuff) about to his the majors. I don't think a pitcher is going to be the major centerpiece in any deal for Hernandez. (Even though TINSTAAP should apply).

If the Royals wanted to acquire Hernandez, you're going to have to give up good, long-term controlled players.

I wouldn't do any sort of deal in which Butler and Myers are included. Premium bats are becoming more and more valuable, IMO. Butler is on pace to be a 3-4 WAR player, which is pretty amazing from a DH. They control him for 3 more seasons. If he continues to produce at the current level, that's at least 9 WAR over that period (and if he gets a little bit better as the lineup around him improves, even more).

Myers is controlled for six years and is, in many opinions, the best close-to-MLB prospect in baseball (now that Harper and Trout are established in the bigs, there's little debate here). He's potentially a legit .320/30/100/100 .380 OBP/.500 SLG once he gets his feet under him (and I think he hits early, personally). I wouldn't be surprised to see Myers post 20 WAR in his first six years.

Both of those guys are much more valuable over the life of their controlled time than Hernandez would be.

As far as acquiring Hernandez... I would be willing to throw a lot at him other than those guys. The problem is that the Royals don't match up well with the Mariner's needs (they desperately need bats). And the Royals' best bats beyond Meyers are guys that are FAR away (Jorge Bonifacio -A+, Starling, Rookie League, Cheslor Cuthbert, A+).

I think a guy like Matt Garza - who could be acquired at this year's deadline and give you 1.5 seasons rather than 2.5 - is an easier acquire for the Royals. Price is going be lower, and the matchups are easier (Cubs would likely value Odorizzi much more than the Mariners would).

Re: acquiring pitching for next season. The solution is pretty simple, if Glass is willing to open the checkbook (and he should be, considering the payroll flex they're going to have under the self-imposed ceiling) you can acquire two very valuable pieces through free agency. You might not get one of the true aces (Hamels or Greinke), but there are plenty of very good second-tier guys out there.

Bruce Chen is going to be there, and is a solid middle-rotation guy.
Jake Odorizzi, unless he's traded, is part of the rotation next season.

Beyond that, it's question marks. Paulino's TJ surgery is a big blow, because I really think he had started to put it together and harness his great stuff. Same thing with Duffy. You MIGHT - if you're lucky - get a second half contribution from one of them.

John Lamb is throwing off a mound and should start seeing game action sometime in the next 4-6 weeks, so that's a definite plus. If you get REALLY lucky, he might pitch well enough to get back to NWA this year. Which possibly puts him in position to help out of ST or early in 2013.

Mike Montgomery is an enigma.

Beyond that, all you have close in-house are filler guys like Mazzero, Will Smith, Teaford - who are a far cry above what we've seen in the past.

Honestly, I'd be beating down the door re: Matt Garza. Offer the Cubs Jason Adam+one of the bullpen trio (Crow, Holland, Herrera)+Bubba Starling or Jorge Bonifacio (I'd lean towards Bonifacio, who also is a bit more proven) + some filler (David Lough? Chris Dwyer? Justin Marks?).

That's less than what they gave up for him (marginally), but he also has 1.5 fewer years of control. The Cubs would gain a young, cheap closer they can plug in right away, along with high-upside guys at SP and OF to help begin the massive rebuilding project.

If you can trade for Garza, I'd immediately offer him an extension (4 years, $48 million).

Cut ties with Broxton, Hochevar, and Sanchez before the start of 2013. That frees up $15 million, and even with Garza's deal leaves them $30 million under the self-imposed salary ceiling.

Then sign the best FA guy you can find to a 4-5 year deal. There are a lot of guys who will be in that same range as Garza (Anibal Sanchez, Brandon McCarthy, etc)...

FA pitcher
Garza
Chen
Odorizzi
Roster filler (Montgomery, Smith, Mazzero, Teaford, etc.)

Paired with a good young lineup that gets an injection of production from Sal Perez and Wil Myers, that's a team that can compete next year.

Of course, none of that probably will happen. So whatever....
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One more thing re: the 2013 rotation...

That No. 5/filler spot... it leaves you open to make use of a young pitcher who forces the hand (Montgomery? Justin Marks? etc) or one of the TJ trio (Lamb, Duffy, Paulino) if they're ready.
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Good post Duncan but you lost me on the Garza trade. No way I include Starling in that type of deal for only 1.5 years of Garza, a solid pitcher but not an ace.

Also, I continue to hear everyone talk about just signing pitchers in FA this offseason, but I think we get back to a Torii Hunter situation where even overpaying a bit isn't enough to lure a top talent with options. I think we are going to have to hugely overpay to get a valuable starter, and I don't think we will be willing to do that.
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Good post Duncan but you lost me on the Garza trade. No way I include Starling in that type of deal for only 1.5 years of Garza, a solid pitcher but not an ace.

Also, I continue to hear everyone talk about just signing pitchers in FA this offseason, but I think we get back to a Torii Hunter situation where even overpaying a bit isn't enough to lure a top talent with options. I think we are going to have to hugely overpay to get a valuable starter, and I don't think we will be willing to do that.
Garza deal wouldn't have to include Starling. I'd rather include Bonifacio in that proposal (and with him being more proven in the minors, it might make more sense to the Cubs, anyway). The nice thing there is that the Cubs need EVERYTHING. So a lot would be on the table.

I also think you can extend Garza. He's been traded a lot (Twins to Rays to Cubs), which might help convince him to put down roots if offered a nice extension.

The 2013 FA pitching class is REALLY deep, though. Tons of quality guys moving around in it, and lots of options. Here's a list. I think you can easily go after the second tier of guys in that group and find quality pitching you can AFFORD and LURE to KC.
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