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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
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With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 09-25-2012, 03:10 PM   #7801
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What point are you trying to argue?
I don't know why that Radio guy would even bring Price name up in a trade. Why would the Ray's trade a true ACE under team control till 2016 ?
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I don't know why that Radio guy would even bring Price name up in a trade. Why would the Ray's trade a true ACE under team control till 2016 ?
Cost.

And Rany isn't a "radio guy." He's one of the most respected voices in the sabermetric community.
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:13 PM   #7803
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Cost.

And Rany isn't a "radio guy." He's one of the most respected voices in the sabermetric community.
Stop with this cost crap.

2013 Contract Status: 1st Year Arb Eligible (Super 2), 1 yr/$4.35M

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...riceda01.shtml

2014 That will jump to about 8m
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I don't know why that Radio guy would even bring Price name up in a trade. Why would the Ray's trade a true ACE under team control till 2016 ?
Because he qualifies for arbitration before next season. He currently makes $4.35 million dollars. Estimates are that it will jump to $10 million/season in arbitration, and that's about 1/6 of the Rays' payroll.

His second arb year, it likely goes to $13/14 million.

And his third year, he's likely at $16 million.

A lot of baseball people are questioning whether they can carry that salary while improving enough in other areas to get back to the World Series.

They need cheap, controllable offense (at SS or 1B, preferably) to get back there. They have quite a bit of cheap pitching and can save a lot of money on Price without a precipitous drop-off in his replacement.

Price will be floated on the trade market. That thought is pretty accepted in baseball circles right now.
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Old 09-25-2012, 03:30 PM   #7805
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Because he qualifies for arbitration before next season. He currently makes $4.35 million dollars. Estimates are that it will jump to $10 million/season in arbitration, and that's about 1/6 of the Rays' payroll.

His second arb year, it likely goes to $13/14 million.

And his third year, he's likely at $16 million.

A lot of baseball people are questioning whether they can carry that salary while improving enough in other areas to get back to the World Series.

They need cheap, controllable offense (at SS or 1B, preferably) to get back there. They have quite a bit of cheap pitching and can save a lot of money on Price without a precipitous drop-off in his replacement.

Price will be floated on the trade market. That thought is pretty accepted in baseball circles right now.

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@DKnobler Do you think they would trade Price?


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@ChiefsOrioles12 Doubtful, depends on what they were offered.


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@ChiefsOrioles12 Easy to say they wouldn't, but what if Angels offered them Trout (obviously not going to happen, but what if?)
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@DKnobler Do you think they would trade Price?


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@ChiefsOrioles12 Doubtful, depends on what they were offered.


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@ChiefsOrioles12 Easy to say they wouldn't, but what if Angels offered them Trout (obviously not going to happen, but what if?)
Danny Knobler? YOu trust him more than Olney?

someone mentioned this earlier, but Buster Olney is positive the Rays will move Price in the offseason for financial reasons.

If anyone has ESPN Insider and wants to post cliffs of that... help Chiefs and Os out.
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Danny Knobler? YOu trust him more than Olney?

someone mentioned this earlier, but Buster Olney is positive the Rays will move Price in the offseason for financial reasons.

If anyone has ESPN Insider and wants to post cliffs of that... help Chiefs and Os out.
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@DKnobler Royal fans think this would be enough for Price, Hosmer, Ventura and Adam what do you think


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Plus why would the Royals do this trade ? Give up players for 3 years of Price cause the royals will never give a player 25m a year and that's what price will get in 2016.
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@DKnobler Royal fans think this would be enough for Price, Hosmer, Ventura and Adam what do you think


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Plus why would the Royals do this trade ? Give up players for 3 years of Price cause the royals will never give a player 25m a year and that's what price will get in 2016.
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No one here really gives a shit about Danny Knobler. Not sure why you think he's the gospel...

But beyond that, the key part in that is:
Hosmer + (something that doesn't start with Wil Myers or Jake Odorizzi).

If the price on Price gets driven up, the Royals can sweeten the pot.

Hosmer+Adam+Sugar Ray Marimon starting price.

can easily be sweetened to:

Hosmer + Ventura + Adam + Christian Colon (hey, he's not playing SS for the Royals any time soon, and the Rays need help at SS)

and so on. I don't know that they'd get to the point where they trade Bubba Starling as part of the package.

As for "why Price when it's only 3 years?"

Simple. Because it puts the Royals in position to contend for the AL Central division title each of those three years. They'd be giving up two years of control of Eric Hosmer for that, but they have no other way to really acquire an ace, and they have a surplus of young hitting talent.

It bridges the gap with the young pitchers and gives the Royals a chance to bring up John Lamb and Kyle Zimmer and bring back Danny Duffy without that guy having the pressure of being "the ace."

By the time Price is a FA, the Royals internal pitching options will either be in place, or the Royals will be entering a rebuild stage.

And the Royals would probably be willing to talk to him re: an extension that gives him more money up front at the expense of 1-2 FA years; something around $16 million a year gives him $10 million more over the next three years than he'd otherwise likely get, even if it does cost him about the same amount on the back end of it.
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No one here really gives a shit about Danny Knobler. Not sure why you think he's the gospel...

But beyond that, the key part in that is:
Hosmer + (something that doesn't start with Wil Myers or Jake Odorizzi).

If the price on Price gets driven up, the Royals can sweeten the pot.

Hosmer+Adam+Sugar Ray Marimon starting price.

can easily be sweetened to:

Hosmer + Ventura + Adam + Christian Colon (hey, he's not playing SS for the Royals any time soon, and the Rays need help at SS)

and so on. I don't know that they'd get to the point where they trade Bubba Starling as part of the package.

As for "why Price when it's only 3 years?"

Simple. Because it puts the Royals in position to contend for the AL Central division title each of those three years. They'd be giving up two years of control of Eric Hosmer for that, but they have no other way to really acquire an ace, and they have a surplus of young hitting talent.

It bridges the gap with the young pitchers and gives the Royals a chance to bring up John Lamb and Kyle Zimmer and bring back Danny Duffy without that guy having the pressure of being "the ace."

By the time Price is a FA, the Royals internal pitching options will either be in place, or the Royals will be entering a rebuild stage.

And the Royals would probably be willing to talk to him re: an extension that gives him more money up front at the expense of 1-2 FA years; something around $16 million a year gives him $10 million more over the next three years than he'd otherwise likely get, even if it does cost him about the same amount on the back end of it.

Stop over rating your players.
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