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Old 12-31-2011, 02:52 PM  
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2012 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread

2012 Slogan: Our Time

A better, more accurate 2012 Slogan: It is Finally Next Year
(from Great Expectations)

An alternative slogan if you don't like that one: Someone has to win this crappy division
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With the beginning of a new year, it is time for the 2012 version of the Royals Repository Thread. We've got Hosmer, we've got a 2011-dominating Gordon, we've got Moose, we've got hopefully a killer bullpen, we've got a stereotypical slow slugging DH, we've got easily one of the best defensive shortstops in the AL, we've got a promising catcher in Salvador Perez. Hell, we've got offense and promising prospects galore.

We do not have starting pitching.

Oh yeah, we've also got this:



Get ready for, (as of January 2012 anyway), one of the most confusing puzzles of a baseball season in recent Royals history. Will they suck? Maybe, I don't know. Will we be given a year of 0.500 baseball? Possibly, I don't know. Will they win the division and go to the playoffs for the first time in 27 years? For the first time in a long time, it could happen, I don't know. 92 losses, 92 wins, or anything in between would not surprise a lot of us.

Everything goes here except Gameday threads and really big news. If a giant story breaks, the Royals achieve some awesome milestone, or we sign/lose a highly significant player/coach/mascot/whatever, then it might also deserve its own thread. This being Chiefs Planet, please do not clutter the board with new threads about trivial Royals news or you will only annoy those who come here for just Chiefs football. If you aren't sure and its not a Gameday thread, it goes here.

What sort of stuff often goes here? SPchief explained it well, so I'll just copy that:

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If you locate something of interest.. ANYTHING.. deals on apparel, best ways in/out of the stadium, giveaways, great stories from this season or from seasons gone by, rumors, trades, anything.... feel free to post it here.

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Old 12-10-2012, 12:55 PM   #10486
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2006 23 Royals 1 0 4.26
2007 24 Royals 7 7 3.69
2008 25 Royals 13 10 3.47
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:55 PM   #10487
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WAR Predictions for 2013 KC rotation:
You mistakenly listed Chen instead of Hochevar.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:56 PM   #10488
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Okay, Duncan. Start us off with the 2013 thread.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:58 PM   #10489
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If this trade causes the Royals to be viewed positively by future FAs, thus making them more likely to sign (think Pudge move by Detroit), that will be a huge ancillary benefit.

This angle isn't getting enough play.

That said, DM is still dumb as ****.
And as I said before, if Dayton made this move based on some kind of handshake deal with Glass that Glass would spend more money if Moore would field a "more competitive" team, not only does the trade make sense for the here and now but it's also protecting the future.

Trading away Myers hurts, but if trading Myers means somehow that the overall spending budget goes up in future years, it's absolutely worth it.

We've done the $40M budget thing. Myers really isn't all that different than Moose, Gordon, or Hos. We've been down this route, now we're trying something different.

This is the Royals equivalent of the Chiefs drafting a 1st round QB.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:59 PM   #10490
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Oh for sure but he hasn't signed anywhere yet so we really don't know.

Regardless my biggest frustration is overpaying.

Hellickson, Moore, or Price would have been better.
Two of the three most valuable guys in baseball. A Cy Young winner under control for 3 more seasons and a young, future Cy winner controlled for the rest of the decade. Yeah, those would have been better. And likely required more back in return (Gordon, or Butler, or Hosmer, or Moustakas)

Hellickson would have been worse. He's controlled longer but isn't as good a pitcher.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:00 PM   #10491
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You mistakenly listed Chen instead of Hochevar.
I'm going to pretend DM will come to his senses on that until proven otherwise (as I'm sure it will).
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:03 PM   #10492
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I'm going to pretend DM will come to his senses on that until proven otherwise (as I'm sure it will).
So duncan you have said numerous times that DM has to improve the starting pitching this offseason and that you were basically giving him one last chance. How have the moves satisfied or not satified you?
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:07 PM   #10493
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:08 PM   #10494
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I think people are a little too wrapped up in this WAR stuff. I like the stat, I get it...

but for the love of God last year we went on a huge losing streak to start the year...and then we evened out...and did it with Hosmer being terrible, Frenchy being god awful...no Cain or Perez for an extended period of time and simply ATROCIOUS starting pitching.

The fact of the matter is, regardless of how shitty we feel about losing Myers (and the dude was gonna be my favorite player)...we did gain a top tier starter and another guy with major league stuff...we're also *knock on wood* going into the season with Cain and Perez AND perhaps maybe Hosmer can go back to being the player he was his rookie year? Our guys are still so young we have no idea if they can take some big steps as well...and we have two holes in our lineup...so does just about every other team in baseball, if not more.

So really...did we lose the deal? Maybe. Probably.

But are we a hell of a lot better now compared to last year? Oh, yes. For sure.

Would we have been better with Myers over Frenchy! I'm sure we would be as well...

but when it comes down to it, pitching wins. Every single time.
I agree that pitching wins, but it does bring up an interesting question; how did Tampa ever lose? Their rotation was stacked.
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I agree that pitching wins, but it does bring up an interesting question; how did Tampa ever lose? Their rotation was stacked.
AL East, probably.
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