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***Offical 2012 STL Cardinals World Champions Thread ***

St. Louis Cardinals: 7 reasons fans should feel good about 2012

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2012, at 9:26 PM

St. Louis Cardinals fans are likely feeling deflated after the collapse that put an end to the team's dreams of a World Series repeat, but there is good reason to be excited.

With all of the odds against them, the Cardinals managed to push their 2012 season beyond any anticipated boundary.

Given all of the season's changes and the adversity the team had to fight through, the fact that they played in October at all was an anomaly in itself. On paper, it made sense for the Cardinals to be in the playoffs, but few saw them as a true threat.
As the season continued, even fans began to doubt as they watched the team seemingly crumble in June and July. When the Cardinals finally came to life in September they went 11-5 in the last 16 games of the season to lock up the second Wild Card position in its inaugural year.

That run, despite it's crushing end in Cincinnati in Game 7 of the National League Championship Series, lots of good came from the Cardinals' season and playoff run.
Following in no particular order are 10 reasons Cardinals fans have to be excited about the 2013 season.

Trevor Rosenthal
When rookie fireballer Trevor Rosenthal made his first trip to St. Louis, it was obvious almost instantly that he was something special.
Between his 100 mph fastball and the general inability for almost anyone to hit off of him, he became a huge part of the Cardinals playoff run.

He pitched in a total of 19 regular season games before the 22-year-old rookie from Lee's Summit, Mo. got his first taste of postseason baseball and he put on quite a show.
In 8.2 IP over seven postseason appearances, Rosenthal held opponents to only two hits and no runs.
It's possible that down the stretch he may have already earned his spot in the rotation for 2013.

Shelby Miller
The long-coveted fastball pitching prospect Shelby Miller also made his first trip to St. Louis in 2012 and put on a good show.
In 13.2 IP over six regular season games, Miller surrendered only two runs on nine hits. His postseason performance was more of the same with two runs on four hits in 3.2 IP.

Despite a dismal first half of the season in Memphis, Miller got himself together and still managed to make one major league start before the end of the season -- a very impressive start at that.
Against the Cincinnati Reds in the final game of the regular season, Miller posted 5.2 hitless innings. He gave up no runs and collected his first major league win.

Expect to see a lot more of Miller in St. Louis early in 2013.

Joe Kelly
When Joe Kelly made his major league debut on June 10, few could have guessed the importance he would play throughout the remainder of the 2012 season.
Kelly started 16 games for the Cardinals this season filling in for Jaime Garcia and Lance Lynn, but it was the postseason when he really came through for his teammates.

When starting pitchers struggled time and again in October, it was Kelly who came to their rescue.
In seven postseason appearances, Kelly threw 7.2 innings and surrendered only two runs on six hits. Kelly came through for the Cardinals from the bullpen.
There's a good chance that could be his home in the future.

Mike Matheny
When the Cardinals hired Mike Matheny to take over for Tony LaRussa, many question bringing in a manager with no experience to such a storied franchise.

He had a few hiccups and growing pains along the way, but for a rookie manager to get his team where Matheny did this year speaks volumes.
His players have a strong respect for Matheny and credit his positive style with being a driving force behind their 2012 success.
True, he didn't get them through the NLCS, but the team made it to an all or nothing Game 7. That's good experience for the players obviously, but also for Matheny. Not only did he learn a lot about managing in the media pressure cooker that is postseason baseball, he also got a taste of what it felt like to win as a manager.

NLCS loss means more drive to win
While the NLCS loss was a good lesson for a young manager, it's an even more important lesson for a young player.
The 2011 championship lit a fire under young players like Lance Lynn and Jon Jay. That fire helped drive them to extremely successful sophomore seasons.

What happened in 2012 will likely do the same for Rosenthal, Miller and Kelly. Their 2013 season may not be like Jay or Lynn's 2012, but now they've gotten a little taste of what it feels like to be a winner.

Both the excitement and the public humbling can be a great experience for any young player.

The run was without several key components
In a season riddled with injuries, none were as crucial as those late in the season.
The loss of Lance Berkman and Rafael Furcal significantly weakened the team's bench. Instead of having Pete Kozma, Allen Craig and Matt Carpenter to pinch hit, the team wound up having to use them in the lineup.

The loss of Jaime Garcia and Jake Westbrook also rocked the Cardinals. Instead of having Lynn and Westbrook also available from the bullpen, Lynn was pushed back into the rotation after a very successful NLDS bullpen stint.

Having gotten as deep into the playoffs as the Cardinals did in spite of the injuries is quite the accomplishment.

They did it without Pujols, LaRussa and Duncan
Few in the world of sports gave the Cardinals a fighting chance when Albert Pujols left the team to play on the west coast. Surely this team couldn't be as good as they were?

Few gave them a chance after longtime manager Tony LaRussa decided it was time to retire.
Few gave them a chance after pitching coach Dave Duncan left the team.
The Cardinals did it despite all of that. That's something any fan should be proud of.

No, they didn't hoist a trophy. There will be no parade or tickertape.
What there is, though, is hope for next year and that will come sooner than you may think.
After all, pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training in just four short months.

From a blog I was sent on twitter: http://www.dailystatesman.com/blogs/...es/entry/50051

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Old 11-07-2012, 05:48 PM   #2386
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What do you guys suggest we do at SS?
JJ Hardy.

The O's are looking to move Machado over to his natural position at SS, which means they'd need someone at 3b.

Matt Carpenter for JJ Hardy looks pretty decent to me. That might even be more than it would actually take.

Hardy's actually a premier defender (as opposed to Cabrera who just pretends to be). He has more power and a better track record. His contact skills are better and he'd be a very nice fit for the 6/7 hole in the lineup.

Give me Hardy or Drew over Cabrera every time.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:51 PM   #2389
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I'd like to get someone to hit leadoff. Not necessarily at SS, but somewhere. Not a huge fan of Jay leading off.


I've seen the rumor of Tulowitzki(sp?) thrown around, but that contract is crazy.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:55 PM   #2390
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I'm a HUGE fan of Jay, but that may be a good place to upgrade. I think he's a valuable 4th OF\spot starter, but I think Tavares should be the starter there soon.
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Old 11-07-2012, 05:59 PM   #2391
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Does Taveras project in CF?

Jay isn't a bad player, pretty good actually. I just don't think he's a leadoff hitter. Maybe a 7 or 8 guy.
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Does Taveras project in CF?

Jay isn't a bad player, pretty good actually. I just don't think he's a leadoff hitter. Maybe a 7 or 8 guy.
From what I've read, he can play CF, but his +arm makes him bettersuited for RF; and don't get me wrong, Jay is certainly above average in CF.
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Jay is great at CF and I realize he hit 300, but I would rather someone else lead off.
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If they give up more than Joe Kelly, they're !@#$ing insane.

Asdrubal Cabrera is incredibly overrated. He makes some great highlight reel plays, but his mediocre range is the reason for it.

He's owed $16 million over the next 2 years and simply isn't very good. If the Cards gave up Rosenthal or Lynn for that guy, then Moe is an absolute fool.
Lynn? I'd say a pitcher who can only pitch reliably for half a season is somewhat overrated as well.
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I'd like to see Lynn settle in that middle relief role.
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I sure as **** don't ever want to see him in the starting rotation again.
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JJ Hardy.

The O's are looking to move Machado over to his natural position at SS, which means they'd need someone at 3b.

Matt Carpenter for JJ Hardy looks pretty decent to me. That might even be more than it would actually take.

Hardy's actually a premier defender (as opposed to Cabrera who just pretends to be). He has more power and a better track record. His contact skills are better and he'd be a very nice fit for the 6/7 hole in the lineup.

Give me Hardy or Drew over Cabrera every time.
Not moving Hardy.
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Completely agree, but I'm not even sure I'd include Kelly.
Yep, Kelly is as high as I would go.
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Jay is great at CF and I realize he hit 300, but I would rather someone else lead off.
Wong is our leadoff hitter for the next 6 years starting 2014 or maybe if he gets hot in spring training, 2013.
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From what I've read, he can play CF, but his +arm makes him bettersuited for RF; and don't get me wrong, Jay is certainly above average in CF.
Jay hit .300 over a full year. + defender. We are good there. Taveras is a natural RF. Let Beltran play next year or if he falls off the cliff next year like Berkman, 2013 is Taveras's rookie year.
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