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***Offical 2012 STL Cardinals World Champions Thread ***

St. Louis Cardinals: 7 reasons fans should feel good about 2012

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2012, at 9:26 PM

St. Louis Cardinals fans are likely feeling deflated after the collapse that put an end to the team's dreams of a World Series repeat, but there is good reason to be excited.

With all of the odds against them, the Cardinals managed to push their 2012 season beyond any anticipated boundary.

Given all of the season's changes and the adversity the team had to fight through, the fact that they played in October at all was an anomaly in itself. On paper, it made sense for the Cardinals to be in the playoffs, but few saw them as a true threat.
As the season continued, even fans began to doubt as they watched the team seemingly crumble in June and July. When the Cardinals finally came to life in September they went 11-5 in the last 16 games of the season to lock up the second Wild Card position in its inaugural year.

That run, despite it's crushing end in Cincinnati in Game 7 of the National League Championship Series, lots of good came from the Cardinals' season and playoff run.
Following in no particular order are 10 reasons Cardinals fans have to be excited about the 2013 season.

Trevor Rosenthal
When rookie fireballer Trevor Rosenthal made his first trip to St. Louis, it was obvious almost instantly that he was something special.
Between his 100 mph fastball and the general inability for almost anyone to hit off of him, he became a huge part of the Cardinals playoff run.

He pitched in a total of 19 regular season games before the 22-year-old rookie from Lee's Summit, Mo. got his first taste of postseason baseball and he put on quite a show.
In 8.2 IP over seven postseason appearances, Rosenthal held opponents to only two hits and no runs.
It's possible that down the stretch he may have already earned his spot in the rotation for 2013.

Shelby Miller
The long-coveted fastball pitching prospect Shelby Miller also made his first trip to St. Louis in 2012 and put on a good show.
In 13.2 IP over six regular season games, Miller surrendered only two runs on nine hits. His postseason performance was more of the same with two runs on four hits in 3.2 IP.

Despite a dismal first half of the season in Memphis, Miller got himself together and still managed to make one major league start before the end of the season -- a very impressive start at that.
Against the Cincinnati Reds in the final game of the regular season, Miller posted 5.2 hitless innings. He gave up no runs and collected his first major league win.

Expect to see a lot more of Miller in St. Louis early in 2013.

Joe Kelly
When Joe Kelly made his major league debut on June 10, few could have guessed the importance he would play throughout the remainder of the 2012 season.
Kelly started 16 games for the Cardinals this season filling in for Jaime Garcia and Lance Lynn, but it was the postseason when he really came through for his teammates.

When starting pitchers struggled time and again in October, it was Kelly who came to their rescue.
In seven postseason appearances, Kelly threw 7.2 innings and surrendered only two runs on six hits. Kelly came through for the Cardinals from the bullpen.
There's a good chance that could be his home in the future.

Mike Matheny
When the Cardinals hired Mike Matheny to take over for Tony LaRussa, many question bringing in a manager with no experience to such a storied franchise.

He had a few hiccups and growing pains along the way, but for a rookie manager to get his team where Matheny did this year speaks volumes.
His players have a strong respect for Matheny and credit his positive style with being a driving force behind their 2012 success.
True, he didn't get them through the NLCS, but the team made it to an all or nothing Game 7. That's good experience for the players obviously, but also for Matheny. Not only did he learn a lot about managing in the media pressure cooker that is postseason baseball, he also got a taste of what it felt like to win as a manager.

NLCS loss means more drive to win
While the NLCS loss was a good lesson for a young manager, it's an even more important lesson for a young player.
The 2011 championship lit a fire under young players like Lance Lynn and Jon Jay. That fire helped drive them to extremely successful sophomore seasons.

What happened in 2012 will likely do the same for Rosenthal, Miller and Kelly. Their 2013 season may not be like Jay or Lynn's 2012, but now they've gotten a little taste of what it feels like to be a winner.

Both the excitement and the public humbling can be a great experience for any young player.

The run was without several key components
In a season riddled with injuries, none were as crucial as those late in the season.
The loss of Lance Berkman and Rafael Furcal significantly weakened the team's bench. Instead of having Pete Kozma, Allen Craig and Matt Carpenter to pinch hit, the team wound up having to use them in the lineup.

The loss of Jaime Garcia and Jake Westbrook also rocked the Cardinals. Instead of having Lynn and Westbrook also available from the bullpen, Lynn was pushed back into the rotation after a very successful NLDS bullpen stint.

Having gotten as deep into the playoffs as the Cardinals did in spite of the injuries is quite the accomplishment.

They did it without Pujols, LaRussa and Duncan
Few in the world of sports gave the Cardinals a fighting chance when Albert Pujols left the team to play on the west coast. Surely this team couldn't be as good as they were?

Few gave them a chance after longtime manager Tony LaRussa decided it was time to retire.
Few gave them a chance after pitching coach Dave Duncan left the team.
The Cardinals did it despite all of that. That's something any fan should be proud of.

No, they didn't hoist a trophy. There will be no parade or tickertape.
What there is, though, is hope for next year and that will come sooner than you may think.
After all, pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training in just four short months.

From a blog I was sent on twitter: http://www.dailystatesman.com/blogs/...es/entry/50051

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Old 08-05-2012, 09:51 PM   #1096
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****ing ridiculous.

I almost hope they lose 4-3 so Matheny has to answer for that bullshit.
I dont think I've ever seen that 1st to 3rd move work in the big leagues. Didn't they ban it next year because it works so few times and it slows the game?
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:00 PM   #1097
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:07 PM   #1098
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Well, it worked out I guess.
10 games over .500. Makes losing those games to the Cubs hurt worse.

Teh broadcast highlighted our isses this season. 5.24 ERA in the 7th inning. 19-33 in games decided by 2 runs or less.
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:55 PM   #1099
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What about that service time? If he comes up before September does that start the 6 years of control time that the cardinals have in their pocket?
I believe it is 170 total days to constitute a year. I guess you would have to figure whether 14 or 15 days would matter much if you were going to call him him up anyway in September.
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Old 08-06-2012, 10:17 AM   #1100
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5.24 ERA in the 7th inning.
Mujica to the rescue (so far at least).
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So does Fuentes and Mujica make the BP good enough?



We had some pretty clutch hitting tonight as well. Good sign.
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So does Fuentes and Mujica make the BP good enough?



We had some pretty clutch hitting tonight as well. Good sign.
Fuentes sucks, and Mujica won't be effective if he's asked to pitch every night. I am excited to see some life from these guys this week though.
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Going to be an interesting end of summer. No way to catch the Reds really but if the Cards miss out on a WC slot they will only have themselves to blame.

A WC spot leading to a showdown with the Reds in the NLCS would be sweet, kind of like last years Brewers beat down.
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Going to be an interesting end of summer. No way to catch the Reds really but if the Cards miss out on a WC slot they will only have themselves to blame.

A WC spot leading to a showdown with the Reds in the NLCS would be sweet, kind of like last years Brewers beat down.
After last year I became a never say never kinda guy when it comes to the last couple months of the season. If the Cards can close to within 4 games by the end of this month, you never know. The Reds are real streaky so don't be surprised if they hit a skid at some point. And the Cards still have 6 games against both the Reds and Pirates (and a bunch of games against the Astros).
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I think from now on whenever he comes to bat I'm just turning the TV off.
Dude, he is being talked about a possible MVP this year. What more do you want from the guy?
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Mujica to the rescue (so far at least).
looked damn good yesterday.
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After last year I became a never say never kinda guy when it comes to the last couple months of the season. If the Cards can close to within 4 games by the end of this month, you never know. The Reds are real streaky so don't be surprised if they hit a skid at some point. And the Cards still have 6 games against both the Reds and Pirates (and a bunch of games against the Astros).
This is basically the same team that we had written off last year. How can anyone say they are done when they are 11 games over .500?
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Dude, he is being talked about a possible MVP this year. What more do you want from the guy?
What I'm saying is I NEVER SEE IT. Granted, I don't watch all that many games, but if I flip on the Cardinals game and he comes up to bat, 9 times out of 10 he strikes out. I see his stats, and realize he must be playing well. It just doesn't seem to happen when I'm watching. On TV or in person.

I think my negative Holliday mojo has turned into a force of nature.
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What I'm saying is I NEVER SEE IT. Granted, I don't watch all that many games, but if I flip on the Cardinals game and he comes up to bat, 9 times out of 10 he strikes out. I see his stats, and realize he must be playing well. It just doesn't seem to happen when I'm watching. On TV or in person.

I think my negative Holliday mojo has turned into a force of nature.
I have the extra innings package so I can watch all the games. I usually will watch alll 9 innings for about 70% of them while I'm learning new tech stuff. The other 30% I'll fast forward through to the action parts. So, I also dont see every Holiday at bat. He is doing much better in the clutch this year. But, I dont see him as clutch either. If we need a hit to get that winning run home, I'd rather see Molina or Fresse up there.

How many of those $100 million+ contracts in MLB does the home team actually get what they paid for? I bet its few and far between. We are getting what we paid for. Thats a rarity, just embrace his play now. Cause I'm sure he will fall off his current pace and you can legitmately bash him and I'll join in.
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