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***Offical 2012 STL Cardinals World Champions Thread ***

St. Louis Cardinals: 7 reasons fans should feel good about 2012

Posted Wednesday, October 24, 2012, at 9:26 PM

St. Louis Cardinals fans are likely feeling deflated after the collapse that put an end to the team's dreams of a World Series repeat, but there is good reason to be excited.

With all of the odds against them, the Cardinals managed to push their 2012 season beyond any anticipated boundary.

Given all of the season's changes and the adversity the team had to fight through, the fact that they played in October at all was an anomaly in itself. On paper, it made sense for the Cardinals to be in the playoffs, but few saw them as a true threat.
As the season continued, even fans began to doubt as they watched the team seemingly crumble in June and July. When the Cardinals finally came to life in September they went 11-5 in the last 16 games of the season to lock up the second Wild Card position in its inaugural year.

That run, despite it's crushing end in Cincinnati in Game 7 of the National League Championship Series, lots of good came from the Cardinals' season and playoff run.
Following in no particular order are 10 reasons Cardinals fans have to be excited about the 2013 season.

Trevor Rosenthal
When rookie fireballer Trevor Rosenthal made his first trip to St. Louis, it was obvious almost instantly that he was something special.
Between his 100 mph fastball and the general inability for almost anyone to hit off of him, he became a huge part of the Cardinals playoff run.

He pitched in a total of 19 regular season games before the 22-year-old rookie from Lee's Summit, Mo. got his first taste of postseason baseball and he put on quite a show.
In 8.2 IP over seven postseason appearances, Rosenthal held opponents to only two hits and no runs.
It's possible that down the stretch he may have already earned his spot in the rotation for 2013.

Shelby Miller
The long-coveted fastball pitching prospect Shelby Miller also made his first trip to St. Louis in 2012 and put on a good show.
In 13.2 IP over six regular season games, Miller surrendered only two runs on nine hits. His postseason performance was more of the same with two runs on four hits in 3.2 IP.

Despite a dismal first half of the season in Memphis, Miller got himself together and still managed to make one major league start before the end of the season -- a very impressive start at that.
Against the Cincinnati Reds in the final game of the regular season, Miller posted 5.2 hitless innings. He gave up no runs and collected his first major league win.

Expect to see a lot more of Miller in St. Louis early in 2013.

Joe Kelly
When Joe Kelly made his major league debut on June 10, few could have guessed the importance he would play throughout the remainder of the 2012 season.
Kelly started 16 games for the Cardinals this season filling in for Jaime Garcia and Lance Lynn, but it was the postseason when he really came through for his teammates.

When starting pitchers struggled time and again in October, it was Kelly who came to their rescue.
In seven postseason appearances, Kelly threw 7.2 innings and surrendered only two runs on six hits. Kelly came through for the Cardinals from the bullpen.
There's a good chance that could be his home in the future.

Mike Matheny
When the Cardinals hired Mike Matheny to take over for Tony LaRussa, many question bringing in a manager with no experience to such a storied franchise.

He had a few hiccups and growing pains along the way, but for a rookie manager to get his team where Matheny did this year speaks volumes.
His players have a strong respect for Matheny and credit his positive style with being a driving force behind their 2012 success.
True, he didn't get them through the NLCS, but the team made it to an all or nothing Game 7. That's good experience for the players obviously, but also for Matheny. Not only did he learn a lot about managing in the media pressure cooker that is postseason baseball, he also got a taste of what it felt like to win as a manager.

NLCS loss means more drive to win
While the NLCS loss was a good lesson for a young manager, it's an even more important lesson for a young player.
The 2011 championship lit a fire under young players like Lance Lynn and Jon Jay. That fire helped drive them to extremely successful sophomore seasons.

What happened in 2012 will likely do the same for Rosenthal, Miller and Kelly. Their 2013 season may not be like Jay or Lynn's 2012, but now they've gotten a little taste of what it feels like to be a winner.

Both the excitement and the public humbling can be a great experience for any young player.

The run was without several key components
In a season riddled with injuries, none were as crucial as those late in the season.
The loss of Lance Berkman and Rafael Furcal significantly weakened the team's bench. Instead of having Pete Kozma, Allen Craig and Matt Carpenter to pinch hit, the team wound up having to use them in the lineup.

The loss of Jaime Garcia and Jake Westbrook also rocked the Cardinals. Instead of having Lynn and Westbrook also available from the bullpen, Lynn was pushed back into the rotation after a very successful NLDS bullpen stint.

Having gotten as deep into the playoffs as the Cardinals did in spite of the injuries is quite the accomplishment.

They did it without Pujols, LaRussa and Duncan
Few in the world of sports gave the Cardinals a fighting chance when Albert Pujols left the team to play on the west coast. Surely this team couldn't be as good as they were?

Few gave them a chance after longtime manager Tony LaRussa decided it was time to retire.
Few gave them a chance after pitching coach Dave Duncan left the team.
The Cardinals did it despite all of that. That's something any fan should be proud of.

No, they didn't hoist a trophy. There will be no parade or tickertape.
What there is, though, is hope for next year and that will come sooner than you may think.
After all, pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training in just four short months.

From a blog I was sent on twitter: http://www.dailystatesman.com/blogs/...es/entry/50051

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Old 08-26-2012, 04:56 PM   #1171
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Don't tell Frazod but Holliday was clutch today and money this weekend.

Last year at this point we were 10 games out. We had to have the Braves also collapse. Not neccessary true this year. We are only 6 games out and the last 3 games of the year are home against the Reds. That is a huge difference.
People just look at that contract being the biggest in club history and expect ridiculous things and ignore the facts of the market. Its the same $/yr average as Alfonso Soriano signed for in 2007 and its less than Jayson Werth signed for in the same year. He can drive you crazy sometimes but you have to take the good with the bad and there is a whole lot of good there. And lets not get started on the Crawford contract.
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Old 08-26-2012, 04:59 PM   #1172
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I'm just busting balls. The anger that I felt after the ball hit him in the gut and then he is out there casually eating sunflower seeds like its no big deal. has cooled a not but its still there.

But he has since proven himself to be a consistent ball player. You can count on at least .300/25/100 out of him every year.
Cutler's reaction after getting knocked out of the Bears/Packers playoff game a couple of years ago reminded me of Holliday. He's got a knee injury bad enough to keep him out of the game, yet what does he do? He just stands on the sidelines. Stands. By himself. Not talking with the coaches or the backup QB trying to the win game. With that glazed Cutler look on his face. Like nothing important is going on around him and he doesn't have a care in the world.
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Old 08-26-2012, 06:08 PM   #1173
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Cutler's reaction after getting knocked out of the Bears/Packers playoff game a couple of years ago reminded me of Holliday. He's got a knee injury bad enough to keep him out of the game, yet what does he do? He just stands on the sidelines. Stands. By himself. Not talking with the coaches or the backup QB trying to the win game. With that glazed Cutler look on his face. Like nothing important is going on around him and he doesn't have a care in the world.
C'mon now, he at least doesn't sulk like Culter****er.
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:39 AM   #1174
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Jesus ****ing Christ. They get up by 2.5 in the wildcard and then get blown out 3 consecutive games.
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Beltran's really hurting us.

He's flat out giving away 75% of the ABs he takes. Weak swings, shit contact, soft grounders to 2b on the first pitch (if he's lucky enough to make contact).

With a whopping 8 walks since the All-Star break, he's clearly taken that HR derby nomination to heart. He's just a wild hacker and needs to be dropped in the order until he wakes the !@#$ up. This offense can't carry a black hole in the middle right now.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:23 AM   #1176
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Beltran's really hurting us.

He's flat out giving away 75% of the ABs he takes. Weak swings, shit contact, soft grounders to 2b on the first pitch (if he's lucky enough to make contact).

With a whopping 8 walks since the All-Star break, he's clearly taken that HR derby nomination to heart. He's just a wild hacker and needs to be dropped in the order until he wakes the !@#$ up. This offense can't carry a black hole in the middle right now.
There are several guys swinging at a lot of bad pitches. They made Jackson, a mediocre pitcher at best, look like Cy Young last night because they chased every curve ball in the dirt.
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There are several guys swinging at a lot of bad pitches. They made Jackson, a mediocre pitcher at best, look like Cy Young last night because they chased every curve ball in the dirt.
Yeah, but Beltran's been doing it for 8 weeks now.

The other guys will come around; slumps happen. Beltran, OTOH, is not in a slump. He's changed his approach and has turned into a dogshit player on account of it. That or he's more hurt than he's letting on.

In either event, I wouldn't expect him to come out of it.
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They're effectively playing their way out of the post season.
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They're effectively playing their way out of the post season.
playing like the last 3 games yeah, but we still got a ways to go. I 'll take waino in a winner take all against anyone. Once you get in the playoffs, you never know how it will turn out. Every year that you are successful someone unexpected steps up and pitches the game of their lives. Kelly and Garcia are very capable of giving us 7 strong innings. Loshe 7-8. Maybe Miller or rosenthal step it up?

If we get past the first round, we would have waino for two games again.
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Wife just heard this while watching the Braves/Phillies game. No link. Blow me.
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Furcal apparently out for the rest of the year. Needs elbow surgery.

Wife just heard this while watching the Braves/Phillies game. No link. Blow me.
WTF has happened to this team? How can a team this talented fall off the cliff this fast?

I know historically that teams just dont repeat as World Champs but damn, this is ugly right now.
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Wife just heard this while watching the Braves/Phillies game. No link. Blow me.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb

Club put him on DL and recalled Pete Kozma from Triple-A.
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WTF has happened to this team? How can a team this talented fall off the cliff this fast?

I know historically that teams just dont repeat as World Champs but damn, this is ugly right now.
Well, at least they had the decency to win a championship before they collectively shat themselves.

My other teams skip the championship part and go right to the shitting.
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