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Old 01-26-2012, 08:42 AM  
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Jeff Chadiha Interviewed on 810 this morning -Interesting bits about Cassel and OC

Jeff Chadiha of ESPN was interviewed on 810 this morning and had some interesting bits about Cassel:

- He revealed that Haley told him that his father, Dick Haley (famous Steelers personnel man), upon watching Cassel practice told him "I don't think you can win with this guy"

- Was told by a source within the Chiefs that he trusts that Matt Cassel was still mistakenly calling out plays using Patriots terminology...in year two

- Was told that Weiss was not a Cassel fan at all (I know this isn't new, but yet another source confirming what we already know)

- Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB

Very depressing interview....

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Old 02-02-2012, 08:55 PM   #376
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What the **** does that have to do with anything? Who the **** cares?

Culpepper wasn't a good QB. He was a QB that knew how to get the ball within a mile of Randy Moss and Moss was a freakish talent that he could get anything.

There were a million scouting reports after Culpepper left Minnesota that he was a one-read QB. He had zero clue how to read a defense.
Lol. He was a qb that got by on mobility and totally ****ed his knee and never was the same.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:58 PM   #377
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FTR Haley did not take us 7-7 after the first two losses. He took us 5-6 after the first two losses getting fired with a stellar 5-8 record.

Crennel took us 2-1 to finish off a 7-9 season.
obviously my post went right over your head pete

Couch = at home for the final two wins zilla has given him credit for.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:58 PM   #378
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What about the other 5 blowouts in 2009 and 2010? That's 2.5 blowouts a year. Prior to Haley we were getting blown out .39 times a year for 46 years. Yeah, that's like once every 3 years. Haley was on pace for 3 a year. You can do the math but that's ****ing insane when you compare the 46 years prior to him.

So you fire a coach when your team is getting waxed almost one out of every 5 games. You fire a coach when you consistently see the plays not getting in until there are 7 or 8 secs left on the clock. You fire a coach when you are getting ass blasted and you refuse to put a different QB in for experience if anything. Then after all that said coach gets an unsportsman like penalty? Nevermind he chased off the 2 prior OC's, one 2 weeks before the season. He put his money on ****ing Tyler Palko for not 1 but 2 seasons and refused to yank him even after he say how much fail the guy threw. Along with the constant childish cursing and yelling on the sidelines.

Yeah, you fire that coach in a ****ing heartbeat. And I didn't even mention our pathetic training camp fiasco.
And yet, none of these address the fact that this team never had a good QB in those 3 years. Had absolutely horrendous depth.

I don't get blaming Haley for bringing Palko in. Coaches do that all the time. What was embarrassing was that our GM never, in 2 years, brought in a veteran QB to push Palko out.

In the end, horrible personnel/roster decisions are a lot more to blame for this mess than coaching mistakes (and yes, I recognize that many coaching mistakes were made).
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:01 PM   #379
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FTR Haley did not take us 7-7 after the first two losses. He took us 5-6 after the first two losses getting fired with a stellar 5-8 record.

Crennel took us 2-1 to finish off a 7-9 season.
He took us to 5-6 in a season where Cassel and Thomas Jones were his guys. And where Tyler Palko and Ricky Stanzi were his best available options.

Romeo went 2-1 with Kyle Orton. And don't play the card that Orton never got a shot under Haley. There is a half-game (in a game the chiefs won) where the argument applies.

Haley went 5-6 without Charles and a few of those games with a 6th string QB. That isn't that bad.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:19 PM   #380
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what are you talking about? Who gives two shits what anyone predicted our record would be?


Bottom line we come out of the gate ready to play and win weeks one and two we are in the playoffs, even with haley screwing us for four games with a palko dildo...

Imo haley very possibly cost this team 5 wins all by himself this year.
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Oh. So Haley costed us those 3 games.

Not the GM who told Haley his plan B and C were Tyler Palko and Ricky Stanzi.

Not the cheapskate GM who forced 6th string backups to become starters because he didn't spend on the depth for the Chiefs to win games in the face of injury.

It's a ridiculous argument people make that Haley cost us the season by starting Palko when the guy you would have started otherwise was a rookie Ricky Stanzi, who very well could have been a lot worse.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:33 PM   #381
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obviously my post went right over your head pete

Couch = at home for the final two wins zilla has given him credit for.
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I wasn't correcting you per sey as I was Zilla. Your post did not go over my head, my bad for correcting him in your post.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:36 PM   #382
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And yet, none of these address the fact that this team never had a good QB in those 3 years. Had absolutely horrendous depth.

I don't get blaming Haley for bringing Palko in. Coaches do that all the time. What was embarrassing was that our GM never, in 2 years, brought in a veteran QB to push Palko out.

In the end, horrible personnel/roster decisions are a lot more to blame for this mess than coaching mistakes (and yes, I recognize that many coaching mistakes were made).
Haley wanted Palko. Did you ever think that a GM might listen to his HC? Haley chased off 3 other QB's in Croyle, Gutierez and Gerrard or whoever it was.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:39 PM   #383
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:43 PM   #384
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Haley wanted Palko. Did you ever think that a GM might listen to his HC? Haley chased off 3 other QB's in Croyle, Gutierez and Gerrard or whoever it was.
Give me a break. Haley picked Palko over Croyle and Gutierez, two QBs who aren't even in the league anymore. Is that really the argument you want to make? The Texans didn't even want to sign him mid-season when they were out of options. The Redskins cut Gutierez a few months after they signed him.

Pioli didn't have to force anyone on Haley, but he could have easily signed a competitive 4th QB option and given Haley the choice to keep Palko over that guy.

No matter which way you slice it. Pioli gave Haley a shitty starting QB and never in 3 years gave Haley an even remotely decent QB.
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Give me a break. Haley picked Palko over Croyle and Gutierez, two QBs who aren't even in the league anymore. Is that really the argument you want to make? The Texans didn't even want to sign him mid-season when they were out of options. The Redskins cut Gutierez a few months after they signed him.

Pioli didn't have to force anyone on Haley, but he could have easily signed a competitive 4th QB option and given Haley the choice to keep Palko over that guy.

No matter which way you slice it. Pioli gave Haley a shitty starting QB and never in 3 years gave Haley an even remotely decent QB.
Yeah cause Palko was much better. The sooner you get it through your head that Haley was not a good HC the better off you will be.
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Chased off?
Ok, maybe a bad choice of words but it isn't like he brought in anyone better.
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Yeah cause Palko was much better. The sooner you get it through your head that Haley was not a good HC the better off you will be.
Pioli gave Haley Cassel as his starter.

The four backup QBs he gave Haley were Palko, Croyle, Gutierez, and Stanzi. 3 of them will be sitting on a couch next year. One of them, Stanzi, doesn't seem to be inspiring much confidence even post-Haley.

(Orton came too little too late)

I'll let that sink in. But by all means, blame the coach who was forced to choose piece of shit over most likely shitty.
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Pioli gave Haley Cassel as his starter.

The four backup QBs he gave Haley were Palko, Croyle, Gutierez, and Stanzi. 3 of them will be sitting on a couch next year. One of them, Stanzi, doesn't seem to be inspiring much confidence even post-Haley.

(Orton came too little too late)

I'll let that sink in. But by all means, blame the coach who was forced to choose piece of shit over most likely shitty.
So you're argument then is Palko is Pioli's guy and not Haley's?
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So you're argument then is Palko is Pioli's guy and not Haley's?
Must be. That's why he was demoted the minute Haley was fired.
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I've said multiple times that it was a huge mistake the first two games. Like I said, it's ridiculous to dwell on 2 games when the coach got more out of the next 14 games than many coaches would have gotten out of 16.

But the fact of the matter is that for the next umpteen games, the ONLY reason the Chiefs were competitive was because coaching turned an average roster into a decent one.

Without Jamaal Charles and Berry, this team had no business making the playoffs. They didn't have enough talent. And that's not because of coaching. And it starts with a HUGE whiff on the GM at the QB position.
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Average into decent? Aren't those the same thing?


Was chiefzilla shitfaced when he was responding in this thread? I can't tell what he was even trying to argue.
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