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Old 01-27-2012, 10:22 AM  
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Paul knew about racist newsletters and signed off on them

According to his secretary.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...FVQ_print.html
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But people close to Paul’s operations said he was deeply involved in the company that produced the newsletters, Ron Paul & Associates, and closely monitored its operations, signing off on articles and speaking to staff members virtually every day.

“It was his newsletter, and it was under his name, so he always got to see the final product. . . . He would proof it,’’ said Renae Hathway, a former secretary in Paul’s company and a supporter of the Texas congressman.
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:58 AM   #2
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What's interesting is that there were so many different newsletters and different periods of time that omitting exact time and date can make something seem otherwise. It's how all the facts fall and fit together to get to the truth. However, Paul does not have a history of being a liar....but the Washington Post, as most MSM has—using lying through omission.. Remember the reporting before going into Iraq? Since Paul's record is consistent with this stands—no matter the spin on some of them like earmarks, I'll go with that.


We see here immediately that it states as a generality "people" without naming them for starters. That's the first thing you learn in any course on how to evaluate press reports. So it's a weak claim. Meanwhile, Paul campaign says it's not true. I'll go with those who have the better track record on truth.


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Old 01-27-2012, 11:00 AM   #3
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If this is true (I doubt it is, but it's certainly possible) I need to see Ron Paul drop out of the race. **** the convention, **** his PAC, and **** the rest of the primaries
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:02 AM   #4
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Reality Check: The story behind the Ron Paul newsletters

http://www.fox19.com/story/16449477/...ul-newsletters


Name of the Mystery Writer

http://www.fox19.com/story/16458700/...st-newsletters
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:07 AM   #5
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If this is true (I doubt it is, but it's certainly possible) I need to see Ron Paul drop out of the race. **** the convention, **** his PAC, and **** the rest of the primaries
Don't you think the article could have at least named the sources for "people" in the article? This way they can be cross-examined.
Anyone can write such a claim in such a way those people can not be cross examined. I wouldn't be surprised if Adelson/Newt are behind this just to get some of Paul's ideas out of the Republican platform.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:08 AM   #6
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Don't you think the article could have at least named the sources for "people" in the article? This way they can be cross-examined.
Anyone can write such a claim in such a way those people can not be cross examined. I wouldn't be surprised if Adelson/Newt are behind this just to get some of Paul's ideas out of the Republican platform.


It did name the source...Renae Hathway, a former secretary in Paul’s company
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:10 AM   #7
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It did name the source...Renae Hathway, a former secretary in Paul’s company
I didn't see it in your quote. So I went into the link just now. That's ONE person. No dates and no times.There's still important details left out and generalities such as "always." I've seen video after video claiming Paul said "such and such" about those newsletters without seeing any such thing when watching them.
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Don't you think the article could have at least named the sources for "people" in the article? This way they can be cross-examined.
Anyone can write such a claim in such a way those people can not be cross examined. I wouldn't be surprised if Adelson/Newt are behind this just to get some of Paul's ideas out of the Republican platform.
It certainly seems like that. The newsletters were being talked about pretty aggressively before Iowa. Funny that just now this lady is coming out and saying this.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:12 AM   #9
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It certainly seems like that. The newsletters were being talked about pretty aggressively before Iowa. Funny that just now this lady is coming out and saying this.
I suspect Newt/Adelson. Adelson certainly stands most to gain and the most to lose by keeping Paul's ideas out of the GOP platform at the convention. This is who is behind the attacks on Romney which just started ratcheting up.

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Old 01-27-2012, 11:14 AM   #10
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I didn't see it in your quote. There's still important details left out. I've seen video after video claiming Paul said "such and such" about those newsletters without seeing any such thing when watching them.
Are you blind?

Also what is interesting is that they said the newsletter and his campaign office shared the same office so let's stop pretending he didn't know what was going on.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:19 AM   #11
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What else is in dirk's link: Others claiming otherwise.

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Mark Elam, a longtime Paul associate whose company printed the newsletters, said Paul “was a busy man” at the time. “He was in demand as a speaker; he was traveling around the country,’’ Elam said in an interview coordinated by Paul’s campaign. “I just do not believe he was either writing or regularly editing this stuff.’’

Of course when those making the accusation come up in the article we get "who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid criticizing a former employer." And "According to the person involved with his businesses, Paul and others hit upon a solution: to “morph” the content to capi*tal*ize on a growing fear among some on the political right about the nation’s changing demographics and threats to economic liberty."


The only specifics and not enough are this Hathaway lady:

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Hathway, the former Ron Paul & Associates secretary, said: “We had tons of subscribers, from all over the world. . . . I never had one complaint’’ about the content.

Hathway described Paul as a “hands-on boss” who would come in to the company’s Houston office, about 50 miles from his home, about once a week. And he would call frequently. “He’d ask, ‘How are you doing? Do you need any more money in the account?’ ” she said.
This does not show he read every article in voluminous newsletters. Paul probably read some but not all and not all the time which is what he has said. So it morphs into being heavily involved. Well financing it would be being involved without being one of the writers or editors.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:22 AM   #12
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:23 AM   #13
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Are you blind?

Also what is interesting is that they said the newsletter and his campaign office shared the same office so let's stop pretending he didn't know what was going on.
That doesn't prove the claim he read every article. He never denied knowing they had an investment letter. Look, you're the one who is blind—since he did take responsibility for the fact that this incident happened. He admitted his negligence. Most people forgive politicians when they do that. JFK was forgiven for Bay of Pigs when he admitted he screwed up.
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:24 AM   #14
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Keep dreaming about Paul being a racist using 1% of the content in those newsletters to make your case. To the left nearly anyone who is against social engineering, such as affirmative action, by the left is a racist. This is right out of Alinsky.

Meanwhile, you have contrary facts from others about that same time. One is that he gave up control when he returned to private practice. It was during that period those in question were written. This is what I mean about lying through omission to paint a false picture. So sure, he was involved during a certain period.

Meanwhile, you believe one the biggest liars in US History— Barack Obama, who has done little of what he promised. Obama, who claimed Libya was humanitarian and is for the small guy while the oil fields of Libya have now been seized by the US and west.
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