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Old 05-04-2012, 10:52 AM   #1561
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Old 05-04-2012, 10:55 AM   #1562
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:03 AM   #1563
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Anyone heard a rumor that Clemson and Florida State are considering a jump to the Big 12? I saw it on a North Carolina board, so not sure if its just rumblings over there, and I haven’t seen where this rumor started.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:11 AM   #1564
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Anyone heard a rumor that Clemson and Florida State are considering a jump to the Big 12? I saw it on a North Carolina board, so not sure if its just rumblings over there, and I haven’t seen where this rumor started.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:06 PM   #1565
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So here is an article:
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Since the rumor is a pretty strange one, my guess (hope) is that they are seeking leverage to get power back from the hoops powers in the ACC. Worst case scenario is for them to move to the SEC - single conference moving to 16 teams would likely cause other conferences to do the same, and conference armagedon would be here again.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:17 PM   #1566
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Worst case scenario is for them to move to the SEC - single conference moving to 16 teams would likely cause other conferences to do the same, and conference armagedon would be here again.
However, if the ACC lost 2 to the SEC, they'd be looking to get 4 more schools to go to 16 (along with the BIG getting 2 more and Pac-12 getting 4 more). That's a lot of options for the big names still out there, i.e. leftovers of the Big 12 and Big East.

Texas, TT, OU, Ok St would likely go to the Pac-12. UConn to the ACC. Rutgers to the BIG. That still leaves 4 spots.

You'd think the most desired schools would be, what? Louisville, TCU, KU, WVU? K-State? Maybe Boise St?

Georgetown and Marquette not having football would be big hurdle for them. Unless the ACC or BIG wants to do something funky like add Georgetown for hoops and Boise St for football.
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Unless the North Carolina schools make a serious commitment to football, the ACC will be a tad shaky.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:55 PM   #1568
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Things I've read:

Big XII is primed to sign a contract extension with ESPN on 1st Tier rights that could approach just under 21 million per team.

Extension includes an extension of the "grant of rights" by member schools from 6 to 13 years.

New AD, which is old news now

Happy with 10 right now, but would look at expansion for "the right two", largely rumored to be FSU and Clemson

Speculation is that escalators in the contract would push revenues to around 25 million per team after including the Conference Championship Game in Dallas

Would stop at 12 and wait to see what happens. If conference goes to 14, it won't be until the 2014 season. Conference won't go to 16 unless and until Notre Dame makes its decision. Louisville rumored to be part of 13 and 14.

Plans for a sister station to the LHN for Big XII teams that want to pool their 3rd Tier rights

If we go back to 12, format wouldn't necessarily be the same as last time. Conference looks to maximize "prime time matchups" to get greatest return in contract escalator.

Setting aside fund to help ease buyouts for potential new members

Postseason tiered payouts. TV money still split equally, but teams who finish higher get paid slightly more (to help cover costs). Rumored: 1st Tier: 1-15, 2nd Tier 16-25, 3rd Tier: NR. KU was for this as this pertains to NCAA Tourney as well.

A reported good "feeling and fraternity" from the member institutions, meeting were focused on making the Big XII stronger.
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If they go to 16 team leagues then the ACC or Big East will cease to be. Big East is hanging on by a thread now, propped up by its basketball success but losing two of its biggest basketball schools shortly.
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However, if the ACC lost 2 to the SEC, they'd be looking to get 4 more schools to go to 16 (along with the BIG getting 2 more and Pac-12 getting 4 more). That's a lot of options for the big names still out there, i.e. leftovers of the Big 12 and Big East.

Texas, TT, OU, Ok St would likely go to the Pac-12. UConn to the ACC. Rutgers to the BIG. That still leaves 4 spots.

You'd think the most desired schools would be, what? Louisville, TCU, KU, WVU? K-State? Maybe Boise St?

Georgetown and Marquette not having football would be big hurdle for them. Unless the ACC or BIG wants to do something funky like add Georgetown for hoops and Boise St for football.
Kansas doesn't have football either.
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30 mil plus 3rd tier? Guess that's ok for a conference in shambles.

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On Thursday evening Cemetery Hill spoke with sources familiar with the discussion of Big 12 expansion and learned the following information:

- Per these sources Clemson and Florida State will likely join the Big 12 in all sports effective in 2013. At this time the Big 12 will only expand by two teams, and possibly look to add additional teams in 2014 or beyond.

- The new Big 12 commisioner will be announced on Friday as Bob Bowlsby, who is leaving his post as AD at Stanford. We would not expect Bowlsby or anyone associated with this rumored expansion to acknowledge anything right away.

- The new Big 12 TV contract with the two new schools to be added we're told will approach 30 million per team.

- Approximately 3.5 million of the 30 million will be derived from the conference championship game.

-The first Big 12 Championship with the two new teams will be played at Cowboy Stadium aka Jerry World.

- The Big 12 is expected to contribute 10 million dollars per team to the ACC's buyout of 20 million. This is similar to what the Big 12 did with West Virginia.

- Rumors of Clemson and Florida State using the Big 12 as leverage for an invitation to the SEC have been charaterized as pure speculation by sources, who indicated these programs are Big 12 bound. We were also told that a move could be very swift after the BCS meetings in June.

From a financial standpoint, it's hard to see how Clemson and Florida State could turn down a deal like this, assuming these numbers are indeed accurate. Furthermore, the spectre of the ACC being left out of the proposed 4 team, RPI driven playoff system, makes a move of this nature almost a requirement if schools like Clemson and Florida State wish to compete for a national title.

However, much rumor and speculation has occured in the last few years with respect to conference realignment and expansion, so some degree of caution should be exercised until a formal annoucement is issued. With that said, our sources indicated representatives from Clemson and Florida State have been in Texas for meetings with the Big 12, and it's only a matter of time before a formal invitation is made to join the Big 12.

Will there be counters by the ACC that make staying put more attractive? Would the SEC intervene to protect their turf and extend an offer to Clemson and FSU or do they pursue only "new SEC media markets" Will the new BCS playoff take away the Orange Bowl and ACC/Big East affiliation? No matter what happens, the next few months will certainly be interesting to watch.
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If they go to 16 team leagues then the ACC or Big East will cease to be. Big East is hanging on by a thread now, propped up by its basketball success but losing two of its biggest basketball schools shortly.
There will eventually be four super conferences, but they won't all be 16 teams.

I could see the PAC taking 4 from the XII and the SEC adding 2 from the ACC, but I don't see the B1G going to 16. 14 would make sense with ND and Rutgers or Pitt. Then, the viable programs left over will create a new fourth conference.

That would be my guess, anyway.
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That would be great for the Big XII. The SEC will never take FSU nor Clemson.
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That would be great for the Big XII. The SEC will never take FSU nor Clemson.
Agreed. The SEC would never add any teams that could actually beat them.
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