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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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****The official NEW new conference realignment thread.****

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Old 05-13-2012, 10:58 AM   #1771
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Wow, FSU (if they return to former glory) would be a huge upgrade over AM or Mizzou in football.

FSU is a shell of what they once were, though. Clemson is the somewhat attractive chick with the hot body that ends up just laying motionless when it's time to ****. It sounds good, but in the end it's just disappointing.
West Virginia and TCU are obvious upgrades over Mizzou and A&M.

The real question is whether or not FSU is an upgrade over Nebraska.

Historically? Probably not...but moving forward FSU is a superior program.

If the Big 12 pulls this off it would be incredible. I am on the record saying the FSU wants to stay in their own league but there's too much talk at this point to not think it's going to happen.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:59 AM   #1772
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:37 AM   #1773
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Haggard (The FSU BOT chair who kicked off realignment apocalypse 3 yesterday) admitted that his tier 3 rant was wrong, but despite the statement from the FSU president last night, he's not backing down.

Haggard says FSU 'should keep an open mind'

I'm guessing he didn't get much blowback, especially if he was right that the vast majority of boosters want out.

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"All I tried to say was I think Florida State needs to keep an open mind," Haggard said Sunday morning. "If the Big 12 or the SEC or any other conference wants to talk, we have an obligation to listen. If the Big 12 calls, should we hang up the phone? No.

"Iím not saying take it. Iím saying listen to it. Listen to what they have to say."

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"But (Tier 3 rights) is not the main issue," Haggard said. "We have to listen to how much more money may be out there. There are other issues that need to be considered. My only point is to listen to anybody who wants to talk Ė especially in these economic times."
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:44 AM   #1774
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It sounds like I am probably the only person who knows more than one Clemson fan. I spent some time in the area and know a number.

The first thing that strikes me as ridiculous, that Clemson would end up in the Big 12, is that they have plenty of regional rivalries tied to the ACC and SEC. The fans are not going to want to give up historical opponents like that. This isn't like Missouri, who had been boned time after time by a conference beholden to a few and had really only one strong rival, and not one that was truly a rival in football. Clemson is part of the deep south and that's part of the school's identity. The SEC would be about 5,000 times more appealing. FSU too. These are both schools that have fans who travel for football like maniacs. You can't meet Clemson fans that aren't going to Blacksburg, Durham, Tallahassee, Charlottesville with regularity. Do you think Clemson and FSU fans want to start going to Ames and Lawrence/Manhattan or.. anywhere The fans would hate it. There is an entire culture around those teams home and away and it's not going to fly to have to fly to everything.

Besides that, moving up to the SEC is its own reason, both their primary rivals play in that conference and despite what you Baghdad Bobs think, the big 12 could have its pick of anyone out there and no school with an option will chose it if the SEC would answer the phone.

West Virginia just got through joining the big 12 - why? Because they exhausted their attempts to join the SEC.

and Notre Dame could join the Big Ten any day they wanted. Your dreams of playing them in pole vaulting and rowing and maybe basketball if you're lucky pale in comparison... Sorry.

Why is the idea that any other conference might be even comparable such a crazy one? It's just fact.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:50 AM   #1775
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It sounds like I am probably the only person who knows more than one Clemson fan. I spent some time in the area and know a number.

The first thing that strikes me as ridiculous, that Clemson would end up in the Big 12, is that they have plenty of regional rivalries tied to the ACC and SEC. The fans are not going to want to give up historical opponents like that. This isn't like Missouri, who had been boned time after time by a conference beholden to a few and had really only one strong rival, and not one that was truly a rival in football. Clemson is part of the deep south and that's part of the school's identity. The SEC would be about 5,000 times more appealing. FSU too. These are both schools that have fans who travel for football like maniacs. You can't meet Clemson fans that aren't going to Blacksburg, Durham, Tallahassee, Charlottesville with regularity. Do you think Clemson and FSU fans want to start going to Ames and Lawrence/Manhattan or.. anywhere The fans would hate it. There is an entire culture around those teams home and away and it's not going to fly to have to fly to everything.

Besides that, moving up to the SEC is its own reason, both their primary rivals play in that conference and despite what you Baghdad Bobs think, the big 12 could have its pick of anyone out there and no school with an option will chose it if the SEC would answer the phone.

West Virginia just got through joining the big 12 - why? Because they exhausted their attempts to join the SEC.

and Notre Dame could join the Big Ten any day they wanted. Your dreams of playing them in pole vaulting and rowing and maybe basketball if you're lucky pale in comparison... Sorry.

Why is the idea that any other conference might be even comparable such a crazy one? It's just fact.
The SEC isn't going to invite FSU nor Clemson. If it expands, it will almost certainly be into Virginia and North Carolina (or possibly Indiana if Notre Dame wanted in).
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:54 AM   #1776
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The SEC is at 14 teams now. Maybe they'll expand to 16, but maybe not. They are pretty well tapped out on expansion. Maybe they will grab VPI and NC State.

The Big 10 doesn't seem interested in anyone not named Notre Dame. They also would not be willing to offer them as much tier-3 flexibility as the Big 12. They wont be able to have a Notre Dame network in the Big 10. Notre Dame's times as an independent may be numbered if the new BCS leaves them with no viable or realistic path to a championship, and outside of the SEC, it doesn't sound like the conferences are particularly interested in doing the independents any favors.

Finally, if FSU bolts from the ACC, that conference is a dead duck as far as the BCS is concerned. The SOS is already probably too weak to be a player in the new BCS as it is, replace FSU with another basketball school, and any ACC team who wants to be a player at all in football will need to run for the life rafts whether they want to leave the ACC or not.

Clemson is not going to the SEC. Neither is FSU. You probably aren't cracking the UF/UG/USC alliance, and the SEC is pursuing the network model instead of the national broadcast model anyway, which means expanding the footprint over all else.

If the Big 12 expands, they are probably going to 8 conference games anyway. You'll have plenty of OOC slots to continue any rivalries if you have to abandon a sinking ship.
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Old 05-13-2012, 11:56 AM   #1777
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West Virginia and TCU are obvious upgrades over Mizzou and A&M.
You are insane if you think that. TCU contributes nothing except football (and even that remains to be seen). They aren't playing little sisters of the poor every week. WVU is going to struggle recruiting in the future. Morgantown is a shithole and top east coast kids aren't going to view WVU as being attractive anymore.

Mizzou and A&M have more upside, and it isn't even debatable. Mizzou and A&M already have a combined 10 4-star 2013 recruits. TCU and WVU have 5 recruits combined, and none are higher than 3-star.

Bottom line, TCU may eventually get there, but being a religious-based private university is a handicap on the recruiting trail (outside of Texas, lol).
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The SEC isn't going to invite FSU nor Clemson. If it expands, it will almost certainly be into Virginia and North Carolina (or possibly Indiana if Notre Dame wanted in).
Clemson has a huge following in North Carolina. Basically it would deliver the Charlotte tv market. There are plenty of tarheels fans there but they hibernate during football season.

This is an NFL size market, and many additional TV sets would come along across the state. FSU doesn't have a metro that way, but it would close out the state of Florida (almost) and there's no denying they have a large fan base. This is also about football prestige for the conference, which brings TV contract dollars too. Both those teams would be a credit in football, and even basketball. The only reason they explore other conferences is if this door is closed, IMO- like everyone else.
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West Virginia and TCU are obvious upgrades over Mizzou and A&M.

The real question is whether or not FSU is an upgrade over Nebraska.

Historically? Probably not...but moving forward FSU is a superior program.

If the Big 12 pulls this off it would be incredible. I am on the record saying the FSU wants to stay in their own league but there's too much talk at this point to not think it's going to happen.
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Yup, this is all about TV sets and they don't need more TVs in Florida and South Carolina,
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