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Old 01-31-2012, 02:52 PM  
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****The official NEW new conference realignment thread.****

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Old 05-14-2012, 04:38 PM   #1801
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FSU president: "Any decision made will be reasoned and thoughtful"

By Brett McMurphy | College Football Insider

AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. -- With Florida State Board of Trustees chairman Andy Haggard and FSU coach Jimbo Fisher commenting on the Seminoles' interest in moving to the Big 12, FSU President Eric Barron released a prepared statement Monday.

Ironically Barron's statement was issued on the opening day of the ACC's spring meetings in Amelia Island.

Barron's statement said that "any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics."

Here is Barron's complete statement:

"I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:

In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:

1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC
2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools
3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU
4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be competitive.

But, in contrast:

1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball * there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.

2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.

3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract *actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.

4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue

5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium

6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC * we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.

7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker * and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms
of its successful future.

I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation be governed by emotion * it has to be based on a careful assessment of
athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must be a reasoned decision.

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Old 05-14-2012, 04:41 PM   #1802
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Here's my reply to FSU:

1. Despite giving all 3 tiers to ESPN you still only come out with 17MM/yr. Compare that to 20MM/yr, without a CCG, and retaining tier 3 rights. Almost every school can get at least a couple million. You may be an equal share-conference, but you are sharing a pitifully small pie.

2. We are going to have a 13-year GOR. No one else is going anywhere. Tiers 1 and 2, which are the important tiers, are shared equally. By unequal share, he's only talking about T3. You might not match the Longhorn network, but you'll make more than you are now. You sure as hell aren't coming anywhere close to matching any of the SEC schools surrounding you in the ACC. If you stay, you'll descend into athletic irrelevance.

3. It won't be 2.9MM if FSU and another good football school joins. Those two will, at worst, goose the Big 12's contract enough to increase the value by another 2-3MM, and the CCG will be worth at least another 2MM. That is now a 7MM difference, and with FSU's ability to sell their tier 3 content, it would approach a 10MM difference, allowing FSU to be somewhere in the neighborhood of the SEC schools they compete with. Regarding travel costs, first I do not believe that you'll have to pay more than 3MM extra than you have to pay now, given that you are so far away from so many ACC schools now. Period, I flat-out don't believe it. Even if its true, the Big 12 could reimburse travel expenses to make everyone whole before splitting whats left.

Also regarding travel, if you are in a plane, another couple hundred miles don't matter. I really doubt that FSU's olympic teams are driving 700-800 miles up the coast. If you are, I guess that may be a valid point, but if you are going to fly to Virginia, it wont be much different than flying to Kansas. Planes don't have taxi cab fare meters that roll by the mile, the extra mileage will add more fuel costs, etc, but once you are going wheels up anyway, you've already paid a lot to take the plane the added miles don't mean much.

4. You aren't supposed to rely on rivals to fill your stadium, we sure as hell don't rely on them in the Big 12. FSU fans are supposed to fill the stadium, but it is difficult to do that when you roll out that laughably pathetic home schedule you've got for next season.

5. Why? The Big 12 will probably go to 8 OOC games. You wanna schedule them? Fine, go for it.

6. 2 things, first of all the Big 12 would probably help. They did give their newest 2 members an interest-free loan, which you blatantly ignored. Second, its hard for boosters to support a top-flight athletic program with such a terrible TV contract.

7. Every state is cutting university support, even in the Big 12. The difference is that most Big 12 athletic departments are self-sufficient, while you still have to rely on the FL government for help. The FSU athletic department can become self-sufficient in a conference that isn't stuck with a TV contract that is such a joke. As for "academically weaker", this is something that is seen as important by university faculty and no one else. It is some sort of weird inside-baseball ego-boost within academia, that no one outside of cares about, to brag about the academics of your conference. Here in the real world, the only conference that matters is ivy. If you are an ivy-leaguer, that means something. Employers don't care, at all, if you came from an ACC school, and you don't have a CIC like the Big 10. Being a member of the ACC does not help your academic budget, so the "loss of 25%" is not relevant here.
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Old 05-14-2012, 04:41 PM   #1803
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Take it for what its worth (with lots of grains of salt), but on the Chris Meadows show on ESPN 102.3, they apparently had several guests to talk realignment. According to posters on the WVU message board they said:

FSU President Barron is reluctant to pull the trigger on the move but the Board of Trustees is going to force him. His job security is at risk.

A FSU booster has agreed to cover whatever is left of the ACC buyout after the Big 12 helps out.

FSU will likely move first with Clemson to follow.

Georgia Tech was originally not open to moving but has recently began to talk to the Big 12.

All ACC schools with football championship aspirations are worried.

FSU has made demands of the ACC that the ACC can't possibly agree to thus clearing the way for FSU to leave.
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:02 PM   #1805
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Doug Gottlieb on ESPN radio, demonstrating how (mockingly, while laughing) being in the ACC helps the student.

Quote:
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Guy B: Cool, do they have a good business school?
Guy A: No, but Duke does.

Guy A: Hey i'm going to med school at FSU.
Guy B: Cool, do they have a good med school?
Guy A: No, but Wake Forest does.
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Old 05-14-2012, 06:10 PM   #1806
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and yet their budget is short 2.9 million. Sure thing.
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Take it for what its worth (with lots of grains of salt), but on the Chris Meadows show on ESPN 102.3, they apparently had several guests to talk realignment. According to posters on the WVU message board they said:

FSU President Barron is reluctant to pull the trigger on the move but the Board of Trustees is going to force him. His job security is at risk.

A FSU booster has agreed to cover whatever is left of the ACC buyout after the Big 12 helps out.

FSU will likely move first with Clemson to follow.

Georgia Tech was originally not open to moving but has recently began to talk to the Big 12.

All ACC schools with football championship aspirations are worried.

FSU has made demands of the ACC that the ACC can't possibly agree to thus clearing the way for FSU to leave.
The WVU board is the most laughingly wrong board on the planet. Dozens of posters had it on unassailable authority that WVU, not Mizzou would be headed to the SEC. If they are correct about any of this, it's by random chance rather than any kind of inside info.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:43 PM   #1809
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Where are the realignment fools who used to bitch about travel time for various schools? The same fools who used this argument time and again for the ridiculousness of Mizzou (thankfully and rightfully) leaving for the SEC...
Ugh... You just had to ask for ArrowROYrunn75son, huh? Actually, it would be kind of fun to go back and see how many wrong turns were made in the first two threads. Some of it was hilarious.

I remember "Texas will go independent".

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The WVU board is the most laughingly wrong board on the planet. Dozens of posters had it on unassailable authority that WVU, not Mizzou would be headed to the SEC. If they are correct about any of this, it's by random chance rather than any kind of inside info.
The board wasn't the original source, the radio show was. I was not listening to that radio show.
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Ugh... You just had to ask for ArrowROYrunn75son, huh? Actually, it would be kind of fun to go back and see how many wrong turns were made in the first two threads. Some of it was hilarious.

I remember "Texas will go independent".

"If Missouri leaves, the Big XII will dissolve."
Probably be a proverbial walk of shame for many. Perhaps myself included.

That said, I'll be willing to proclaim the Big XII stable when it doesn't have to worry so much about making it difficult for teams to leave. If we end up going to "super conferences," this will likely be the case. No need to shackle down institutions; there won't be anywhere else they could or would want to go.
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