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Old 05-15-2012, 10:33 AM   #1951
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It's not like those figures are relevant today. Missouri is going to be in a much more lucrative conference position going forward. Ticket prices have increased and there is still a wait list now. A stadium expansion is coming. Revenue will be going up significantly, especially after the new SEC media deal gets worked out.
as will spending....
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:35 AM   #1952
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Selling football tickets on Groupon is paying off big for ku.
Just think of all the janitorial expenses they save due to the fact that their fans leave at halftime. There's only one half worth of mess to clean up.
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Colon is 0.7 WAR or 5M in value. He makes 500k. Getting pretty close, and since he's producing war each of the next 4 years of club control, he's fair value for Upton straight up. More than fair actually.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:40 AM   #1953
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as will spending....
...which is sort of the point of increasing revenue.
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Colon is 0.7 WAR or 5M in value. He makes 500k. Getting pretty close, and since he's producing war each of the next 4 years of club control, he's fair value for Upton straight up. More than fair actually.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:56 AM   #1954
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..................TOTAL REVENUE........TOTAL EXPENSES
Kansas...............$74,850,203.....................$71,992,158

Kansas State.......$69,947,834.....................$46,549,248

Missouri..............$64,146,530.....................$64,160,358
Kansas State is very profitable. GOOD TO BE A KAT.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:31 AM   #1955
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Certainly a reversal from five years ago.

Doesn't Snyder have a ridiculously low salary? Martin/basketball staff also were pretty low. That helps quite a bit in profitability. Still a ton of revenue coming in, though.

Also, would wonder how much of that revenue includes donations for upgrades to BSFS (if any).
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:39 AM   #1956
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Certainly a reversal from five years ago.

Doesn't Snyder have a ridiculously low salary? Martin/basketball staff also were pretty low. That helps quite a bit in profitability. Still a ton of revenue coming in, though.

Also, would wonder how much of that revenue includes donations for upgrades to BSFS (if any).
There are all sorts of variables that factor in to revenues and expenses, as you are implying. My comment was certainly TIC. As long as an AD isn't consistently losing $$$ I don't see the value in whipping these figures out.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:42 AM   #1957
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There are all sorts of variables that factor in to revenues and expenses, as you are implying. My comment was certainly TIC. As long as an AD isn't consistently losing $$$ I don't see the value in whipping these figures out.
Yeah. The ADs play with these numbers, too.

Mike Alden gets a shit-ton of credit for increasing Missouri's athletic department budget immensely...

But the biggest growth in budget comes from the athletic department taking over the payment for utilities/upkeep for athletic facilities, which was handled by the university facilities department before.

Same people caring for it. Funding coming from the same place. Just a different accounting ledger getting the funds/making the payment.
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:16 PM   #1959
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Certainly a reversal from five years ago.

Doesn't Snyder have a ridiculously low salary? Martin/basketball staff also were pretty low. That helps quite a bit in profitability. Still a ton of revenue coming in, though.

Also, would wonder how much of that revenue includes donations for upgrades to BSFS (if any).
3 disk DVD sales must have been brisk...
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Just think of all the janitorial expenses they save due to the fact that their fans leave at halftime. There's only one half worth of mess to clean up.
The mess that Perkins left has been a lot to clean up.
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Missouri said it could earn as much as $12 million more per year from an new TV deal in the SEC compared to the deal it had in the Big 12.

The Big 12 asked to see the report, and asked Missouri to show them who did the study and how they came up with the number. Missouri wouldn’t.

In fact, the school, once it started to explore the option of going to the SEC, cut off its communication with the Big 12 and its member schools. In this age of information, where confidential documents almost always see the light of day, Missouri’s report, at least in entirety, strangely never even surfaced.

Texas A&M was out the door to the SEC, motivated primarily by Texas’ Longhorn Network deal with ESPN. That’s despite the fact that the network’s success was far from a slam dunk (and still isn’t), and that the move cost the school its rivalry game with Texas. The excuse was that the Big 12 was falling apart and they had to go to safer ground. Months later, Florida State, unhappy with its new ACC deal that only bumps TV revenue up $4 million a year, wants to go to the Big 12.

The 12 schools in the SEC earned an average of $17 million a year from its 15-year deals with ESPN and CBS. This was signed in 2008, right before the economic meltdown. And let’s remind you, the SEC was ready to do an SEC Network then, and didn’t, because they got the money that they wanted.

With the Pac-12 getting $250 million a year in rights fees, let’s say the SEC goes from making $205 million a year in its current deal to $325 million a year on a new or extended deal. Divide that by 14 and you have $23.2 million a year. Under a soon-to-be-announced contract with ESPN, the Big 12-which Missouri and Texas A&M left-will see its teams make $20 million a year.

Is making (a hypothetical) $3.2 million more a year worth it to Missouri and Texas A&M? Don’t forget, those schools' exit from the Big 12 already cost them a net of $9 million. One could make the argument that given the competitive landscape of the SEC, whose teams have won the last six national titles, an amount of $3.2 million is pocket change when schools have to consider how much tougher it will be to win. If they can’t win with as much frequency, ticket sales suffer. When ticket sales suffer, sponsorships suffer and donations suffer.

It’s not an easy equation to figure out. For example, what’s the value of tradition?

Sure, playing Florida, Arkansas, Alabama and Georgia could fill the stands at Missouri, but for each one of those you have Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. And when no one in your office in Kansas City went to any one of those schools, and you can’t talk water-cooler trash to them, the interest in the games isn’t nearly as high.
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Incoming Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby says he'd prefer that conferences hit the pause button on realignment.


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"My opinion," he told USA TODAY Sports on Tuesday, "is college athletics would be well served by some period of smooth water and not all of the angst and disorganization that goes with moves from one league to another."

That said, Florida State is churning the waters. Its president, Eric Barron, confirmed Monday that the school is weighing options, laying out the pros and cons of leaving the Atlantic Coast and specifying the Big 12 as a potential destination.

Bowlsby declined to address FSU specifically or whether the comments are likely to heighten expansion sentiment in the Big 12, but acknowledged, "Conference realignment will continue to be an issue and one we all have to be vigilant about."

In the Big 12, Bowlsby said, "I think the topic of expansion will be on every agenda going forward. But it's on every other conference's agenda going forward, too."

Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds, a member of the league's four-man expansion committee, was close to dismissive of FSU's posturing in remarks to the Austin American-Statesman. "There's no traction" he said of the speculation.

"They're a long ways away," Dodds said of the Seminoles. "There've been no conversations between Florida State and the Big 12."

Bowlsby, athletics director at Stanford since 2006, will take over as the Big 12's commissioner around the middle of next month. He'll attend the league's spring meetings in Kansas City, Mo., starting May 30.

The league is wrapping up its first year with 10 member schools, downsized by the defections of Nebraska to the Big Ten and Colorado to the Pacific-12. Texas A&M and Missouri are headed out, as well, to the Southeastern Conference, but are being replaced by TCU and West Virginia. The question of whether to return to a 12-school alignment has bubbled, with speculation revolving around Louisville and, to some degree, Notre Dame.

"It's all about driving value for the member institutions," Bowlsby said. "There is a case to be made for optimal value being driven by the status quo, and there is a case to be made for some form of expansion. And I'm not prejudging or adopting either side of that right now."
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Screw you Bowlsby, if you think the Big 12 should not look to expand, you are an effing moron. Ur gonna get fired like Dan Beebe did for sitting on his ass
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There's no need to expand unless the opportunity is just so great you can't say no. The only schools I'd look to would be FSU, North Carolina and Notre Dame.

The money being brought in now and how the profile of the conference has been raised it just isn't worth the risk unless the perfect situation presents itself.

The last conference that went out on a limb to expand ended up with Utah and Colorado. If anything it's been embarrassing for them. No need to make irrational decisions.
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Don't read too much into statements right now, everyone is trying to cover their legal ***. Remember last year with the SEC:

"We have had no contact with Texas A&M. We feel as hough we have the perfect numbers and makeup of membership and we are not interested in expanding at this time."

"If I wanted to get to 16, I could do it tomorrow."

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"Well, A&M came to us, and when you have a program of that stature come to you, you owe it to the conference to hear them out. After we talked, we determined it they would be a welcome addition and we accepted their application."

Its like an early 1800s Presidential race where the candidates offer their faux humility while employing various media to do the campaigning for them.

"Lord knows, I have no interest at all in the Presidency and was quite taken aback at the common plea for me to do so. I'm a simple gentleman planter, and these dirty issues of politics certainly don't agree with my more gentle nature. But, if the good people of this country determine that they want me to accept that awesome responsibility, I shall do so with all the humility it deserves."
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