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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:24 PM   #2326
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By showing they are willing to do plus-one and that the Big 10 can't force top-4-champ, the Big 10 and PAC 12 risks getting aced out occasionally under the plus one.

Take last season, whoever wins between LSU-Okie State is surely in, and if Alabama thrashes whoever in their bowl and Stanford loses to Wisconsin, I don't think Wisconsin has a shot at all of getting in. Even if Stanford wins, that might not be enough.

If they at least agree on a 3+1 hybrid, then the Big 10/PAC 12 faction gives in to possibility that the SEC/Big 12 might occasionally get 2 in, in exchange for pretty much guaranteeing that they are in there at least once.
You need to get past the BCS mentality. The BCS is going away. Scrap everything. There will be no plus one. There is going to be a full playoff.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:45 PM   #2327
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You need to get past the BCS mentality. The BCS is going away. Scrap everything. There will be no plus one. There is going to be a full playoff.
Why is there, for sure, 100% guaranteed, a full playoff?

Lets say that the PAC 12 and Big 10 are going to be a pain in the ass and say "we want top 4 champions, period, our way or the highway".

This new game allows the SEC to say "you know what, screw all yall, we're not having a playoff. Lets do plus-one"

The SEC/Big 12 would obviously prefer top-4. They will NOT agree to top-4-champs, no way, nohow, not gonna happen. They might compromise at 2+2 or 3+1, and this game allows that compromise to happen by showing the Big 10 that the SEC/Big 12 has a plan B.

Bottom line, the SEC/Big 12 wants the #2 team in the country to be in the playoffs, period, even if #1 is their conference's champ. They also don't want a crappy conference champ in the playoffs, period. They'd like #3 and #4 to be in there too, but it is NOT acceptable to have #2 get left out, or have a crap conference champ be in, and the top-4-champ model could allow that to happen.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:49 PM   #2328
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Why is there, for sure, 100% guaranteed, a full playoff?

Lets say that the PAC 12 and Big 10 are going to be a pain in the ass and say "we want top 4 champions, period, our way or the highway".

This new game allows the SEC to say "you know what, screw all yall, we're not having a playoff. Lets do plus-one"

The SEC/Big 12 would obviously prefer top-4. They will NOT agree to top-4-champs, no way, nohow, not gonna happen. They might compromise at 2+2 or 3+1, and this game allows that compromise to happen by showing the Big 10 that the SEC/Big 12 has a plan B.

Bottom line, the SEC/Big 12 wants the #2 team in the country to be in the playoffs, period, even if #1 is their conference's champ. They also don't want a crappy conference champ in the playoffs, period. They'd like #3 and #4 to be in there too, but it is NOT acceptable to have #2 get left out, or have a crap conference champ be in, and the top-4-champ model could allow that to happen.
The PAC and B1G will absolutely agree to it.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:52 PM   #2329
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The PAC and B1G will absolutely agree to it.
and if they agree to 2+2 or 3+1, then my post above is still, very, relevant.

There's a very good chance every year that some conference will be so crappy that their champ doesn't get in (assuming a top-6 threshold, or something similar), and if you want your conference to steal that extra spot, then winning non-con games are very important.
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Working on another realignment update for the morning. Was told tonight, "The Big 12 is going to have some hard decisions to make."
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lol, they are dying for something bad to happen to the Big 12. Just. Move. On.

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"@ChipBrownOB: Was told tonight, "The Big 12 is going to have some hard decisions to make."" That doesn't sound good.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:33 PM   #2332
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lol, they are dying for something bad to happen to the Big 12. Just. Move. On.

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"@ChipBrownOB: Was told tonight, "The Big 12 is going to have some hard decisions to make."" That doesn't sound good.


I don't see where in the world that idiot got "That doesn't sound good" out of that.

How is "deciding who to invite", bad???
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I don't see where in the world that idiot got "That doesn't sound good" out of that.

How is "deciding who to invite", bad???
This is almost the worst possible case for MU you could have come up with.

Not only is every single media member, alum, and admin been shown to be nothing but a turncoat...now their hopes of a crumbling Big 12 have gone up in smoke. With the prospects of the Big 12 roping in the likes of FSU and Notre Dame we're talking Norfolk State territory here.

And it's showing.
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:05 PM   #2335
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This is almost the worst possible case for MU you could have come up with.

Not only is every single media member, alum, and admin been shown to be nothing but a turncoat...now their hopes of a crumbling Big 12 have gone up in smoke. With the prospects of the Big 12 roping in the likes of FSU and Notre Dame we're talking Norfolk State territory here.

And it's showing.
Yeah, that part where we got an invite to the best athletics conference in the country, where our future is forever secure, and we'll make more money than we would have by staying... yeah, that totally sucks.

I was not gung-ho for the SEC move when it happened, but there is no regret.
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This is almost the worst possible case for MU you could have come up with.

Not only is every single media member, alum, and admin been shown to be nothing but a turncoat...now their hopes of a crumbling Big 12 have gone up in smoke. With the prospects of the Big 12 roping in the likes of FSU and Notre Dame we're talking Norfolk State territory here.

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This is almost the worst possible case for MU you could have come up with.

Not only is every single media member, alum, and admin been shown to be nothing but a turncoat...now their hopes of a crumbling Big 12 have gone up in smoke. With the prospects of the Big 12 roping in the likes of FSU and Notre Dame we're talking Norfolk State territory here.

And it's showing.
Wha?

Thats... like the very last response I would have ever expected. But maybe I should have expected some weird shot at MU from Wicked

Dude, Missouri is just some random, irrelevant, pretty decent but nothing special, team from the SEC now. They are like Arkansas. I know who Arkansas is, I know that sometimes they suck, sometimes they are good, they never (in the modern era) win championships, and they have a tradition I could respect if I cared to learn about it.

Its just Mizzou, let it go, man.
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Wha?

Thats... like the very last response I would have ever expected. But maybe I should have expected some weird shot at MU from Wicked

Dude, Missouri is just some random, irrelevant, pretty decent but nothing special, team from the SEC now. They are like Arkansas. I know who Arkansas is, I know that sometimes they suck, sometimes they are good, they never (in the modern era) win championships, and they have a tradition I could respect if I cared to learn about it.

Its just Mizzou, let it go, man.
actually good perspective. thanks
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actually good perspective. thanks
There you go. K-State is the only rival that Kansas really has now.

Mizzou is irrelevant. I mean, sure they are an AAU school, one should be proud to have a son, daughter, or close relative earn an advanced degree from that institution, its a good place for academics. they aren't worthless, but MU gives me no reason, AT ALL, to give a good God damn whether they athletically do well or blow goat ass.

To me, Missouri is like Arkansas, or Wisconsin, or the Oregon Ducks. They are a mildly interesting, somewhat academically important, not irrelevant, but not particularly, excessively, important, school that is geographically located in Columbia, Missouri. They used to be important to Kansas, but they are no longer relevant in any way at all.
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I don't see where in the world that idiot got "That doesn't sound good" out of that.

How is "deciding who to invite", bad???
Where did you get "deciding who to invite" was the "tough decision?"

Perhaps the tough decision is divisional alignment and keeping rivalries while balancing out the power between the two divisions. Maybe the tough decision is splitting Texas and OU or if they won't budge you're forced to stay at 10?
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