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Old 06-08-2012, 01:52 PM   #3421
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Almost all of them are, if you get rid of direct subsidies from the state and student fees. Texas and roughly 20 other athletic departments are profitable, and thats about it. Everyone else overspends their revenue.
I don't think that can be true. There are 74 basketball or football programs that had a net profit of 5 million dollars or more in the 2010-11 season out of 139 total major conference teams. Only four lost money, and two of them were USC and Oregon basketball whose football programs netted a combined 20 million.
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Old 06-08-2012, 02:23 PM   #3422
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I don't think that can be true. There are 74 basketball or football programs that had a net profit of 5 million dollars or more in the 2010-11 season out of 139 total major conference teams. Only four lost money, and two of them were USC and Oregon basketball whose football programs netted a combined 20 million.
That figure probably includes student fees, if not the direct subsidies from the state. They shouldn't be included, thats just a tax on students. Profitable athletic departments with more money than they can spend don't usually assess student fees.

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Of those 99 schools, 79 either broke even or showed a surplus for the 2010-11 fiscal year, the most recent for which numbers are available. If that sounds different than what you hear from the NCAA, well, it is. The NCAA determines profitability after it subtracts athletic department revenue that comes from student fees, state funds and money from the university. By that measure, only 19 public schools were in the black.
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If you get rid of fees and subsidies, and expect an Athletic Department to be self-sufficient before it can claim to be profitable, here's a list of the only profitable schools last year.

K-State $20,106,935
Texas $16,609,111
LSU $15,462,427
Alabama $14,195,164
Florida $11,989,355
Michigan $10,621,815
Arkansas $10,524,624
Oklahoma $9,974,916
Ohio State $9,528,952
Okla. State $9,507,375
Texas A&M $8,975,871
Georgia $8,384,182
Oregon $7,125,702
Purdue $6,773,110
Iowa $4,731,395
Miss. State $2,573,373
Nebraska $1,763,272
Kentucky $1,219,181
Illinois $403,425
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oh, and yeah, there are accounting gimmicks. Some schools have a very rigorous practice of using budget codes and charge the athletic department with their share of the electric bill, building maintenance, etc, while other schools are more loosey-goosey, just pay for all of that stuff for the university as general expense without explicitly charging the athletic department, etc.

Even with that though, there aren't many profitable athletic departments, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. The school's debate team and the commencement ceremony are also probably not profitable, but we decide we want those things and are willing to pay for it. If the school's athletics need another couple million, we may decide that is a worthwhile expense to keep the team at the competitive level they are at.

Thats why you've got to compare FSU's expense as best we can to their peers to see if they are being unreasonably wasteful, unless their revenues are just wildly too low and there's nothing they can do to fix that (like move to the Big 12), in which case they are spending out of their league.
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Here is a digest of the latest Big 12/Expansion/Contract/Division Alignment Rumors

1. Many "insiders" are saying FSU and Clemson are as close to officially being in the Big 12 starting 2013 without a signature/public announcement as you can get. It would take a very peculiar turn of events for this not to occur, so look for us to be back to 12 soon.

2. FOX, pending expansion back to 12 teams with the teams highly rumored to be the expansion candidates wants to alter its 2nd Tier contract. This will mean more money per school, an extension of the 13 to probably around 16 and a weekly Friday Night marquee game to be aired on the parent network (not FSN, FOX). FOX is seeing its marketing value for scripted shows nosedive and non-scripted show are following that trend as well, so they want sports for prime time. This could push the annual payout into the 24-27 million dollar range, not sure if that includes CCG, Champions Bowl, or NC playoffs.

3. Rumors are that division alignment was trending towards two Texas teams in the "East". Baylor, in particular, was throwing a fit about this. In a somewhat surprising move, OU has indicated that if the NC playoffs favor a weighted RPI rather than a conference champions model (and that is the trend), then OU would go to the "East" keeping UT as a permanent rival. They would join FSU, CU, WVU and ISU. The Texas and Kansas schools would comprise the "West". Oklahoma sees this as an opportunity to expand its national reach, develop another big rivalry besides Texas in replacing Nebraska with FSU.

4. Texas is OK with this because they are cautiously optimistic Notre Dame will eventually be a full member of the Big 12, probably by 2016 when the NBC contract runs out. ND would join Texansas and most likely Georgia Tech would be in the East.

5. Permanent cross division rivals beyond OU-UT are speculated as such: Since the "East" would have OU, FSU and CU want some state of Texas exposure. OSU would want the same consideration. ISU and KSU would continue Farmageddon and WVU becomes linked to KU.

These are all rumors from alleged insiders, so don't shoot the messenger!
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Here is a digest of the latest Big 12/Expansion/Contract/Division Alignment Rumors

1. Many "insiders" are saying FSU and Clemson are as close to officially being in the Big 12 starting 2013 without a signature/public announcement as you can get. It would take a very peculiar turn of events for this not to occur, so look for us to be back to 12 soon.

2. FOX, pending expansion back to 12 teams with the teams highly rumored to be the expansion candidates wants to alter its 2nd Tier contract. This will mean more money per school, an extension of the 13 to probably around 16 and a weekly Friday Night marquee game to be aired on the parent network (not FSN, FOX). FOX is seeing its marketing value for scripted shows nosedive and non-scripted show are following that trend as well, so they want sports for prime time. This could push the annual payout into the 24-27 million dollar range, not sure if that includes CCG, Champions Bowl, or NC playoffs.

3. Rumors are that division alignment was trending towards two Texas teams in the "East". Baylor, in particular, was throwing a fit about this. In a somewhat surprising move, OU has indicated that if the NC playoffs favor a weighted RPI rather than a conference champions model (and that is the trend), then OU would go to the "East" keeping UT as a permanent rival. They would join FSU, CU, WVU and ISU. The Texas and Kansas schools would comprise the "West". Oklahoma sees this as an opportunity to expand its national reach, develop another big rivalry besides Texas in replacing Nebraska with FSU.

4. Texas is OK with this because they are cautiously optimistic Notre Dame will eventually be a full member of the Big 12, probably by 2016 when the NBC contract runs out. ND would join Texansas and most likely Georgia Tech would be in the East.

5. Permanent cross division rivals beyond OU-UT are speculated as such: Since the "East" would have OU, FSU and CU want some state of Texas exposure. OSU would want the same consideration. ISU and KSU would continue Farmageddon and WVU becomes linked to KU.

These are all rumors from alleged insiders, so don't shoot the messenger!
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Texas
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Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
West Virginia
Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Iowa State

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[u]WEST[u] [u]EAST[u]

Kansas -- WVU
Kansas St -- ISU
Texas Tech -- Clemson
Baylor -- OSU
Texas -- OU
TCU -- FSU
Notre Dame -- GT
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Oklahoma
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Oklahoma
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West Virginia
Florida State
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Georgia Tech
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Ummmmmmm how bout we actually wait till FSU, Clemson, GT, and ND actually join the Big XII before figuring out divisions that include teams that are not there.
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Ummmmmmm how bout we actually wait till FSU, Clemson, GT, and ND actually join the Big XII before figuring out divisions that include teams that are not there.
Because.... that's boring.
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