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Old 07-13-2012, 11:15 AM   #4216
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"The Dude of WV" tweeting FSU to B12 as #11, press conference scheduled for this Tuesday.

The Dude of WV ‏ @ theDudeofWV @ hihoze @ JSi07 Its back on again. B12 agreed to add FSU as 11 on Tuesday July 17th at 4:00 p.m.
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:36 AM   #4218
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Thought they weren't good enough for the Big Whatever???
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:38 AM   #4219
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"The Dude of WV" tweeting FSU to B12 as #11, press conference scheduled for this Tuesday.

The Dude of WV ‏ @ theDudeofWV @ hihoze @ JSi07 Its back on again. B12 agreed to add FSU as 11 on Tuesday July 17th at 4:00 p.m.
The Big 12 is only willing to expand for Notre Dame.....unless of course FSU or anyone else is interested, then they will be invited.

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Old 07-13-2012, 11:38 AM   #4220
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As discussed it appears the Big 12 is only interested in one school. They've pretty much stated that publicly and it has been discussed repeatedly in this thread. The Big 12 has achieved enormous payouts via media contracts with only 10 teams which is remarkable considering that other conferences need as many as 14 to be considered valuable.
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:47 AM   #4221
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As discussed it appears the Big 12 is only interested in one school. They've pretty much stated that publicly and it has been discussed repeatedly in this thread. The Big 12 has achieved enormous payouts via media contracts with only 10 teams which is remarkable considering that other conferences need as many as 14 to be considered valuable.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:04 PM   #4222
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Well, since it was known that FSU was interested, the B12 has been interested in FSU. Texas beats a loud drum for ND, which would absolutely add value, but they haven't been the "only one".

FSU absoultely adds value in name recognition, market value and recruiting territory. The reports I am familiar with listed only three schools as added value from the ACC: FSU, VPI and Clemson. Miami would have, but the recent shadow over the program has made them rather toxic. From there it is fairly cost neutral to lower value.

The bigger scuttlebutt was over #12. Clemson was thought to be the better option, but relations have gone cold. This, of course, could change quickly if the SEC goes poaching in the ACC as well. VPI was believed to be an SEC target, and rumors persist there is a "gentlemen's agreement" between the B12 and SEC on who each will pursue.

That means that only ND is left as a school that "adds value" to the conference. It had the added bonus of no withdrawl fees. Louisville, Maryland and a few others would definitely like to be in the conference, but the B12 is being stingy with the invites. I know its a difficult concept for some to accept, but the B12 is actually in a position of strength regarding expansion, they don't have to accept members just to survive. They will add if the overall value of doing so is beneficial to the B12 member, which FSU clearly is.

Now, if you get ND as a full member #12, that's the home run. Since that doesn't seem to be the sentiment as of today, the B12 will play 11, like the B!G did, until it gets what it wants, probably Clemson, but maybe G Tech, or even Lousiville. If the SEC takes some bites, maybe the B!G follows, and all of a sudden schools with cold feet are ready to dance again.

The other huge factor is what happens if the SEC does go to 16? I imagine they will petition for (and get) conference semi-final games. Once that value is determined, the overall value of teams considered neutal to slightly below, will increase, and the B!G and B12 will move to 16 to cash in as well.
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Now tweets are coming in, tapping the brakes again, saying "nothing is agreed to" and "parties are still waiting on Notre Dame". Could mean a lot of different things.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:17 PM   #4224
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First of all I'm not an insider. I'm not really sure how the so-called "insider" could be defined other than as someone who is affiliated with WVU and has direct (first-hand) knowledge of events -- that's not me.

Secondly, and perhaps most importantly, anytime anyone with information shares what they know it should be just one part the information you use to form an opinion. People can easily take facts or statements the wrong way and sometimes even apply their own interpretation to what they have heard. If a fact doesn't make sense or seems fantastical you can bet some filtration or even an honest error has occurred.

I was warned way back in January that writing about expansion is a dangerous business. These deals are made offline and usually with great deniability just in case everything falls apart.

One example is the Pac 12 and Oklahoma - Oklahoma State last year. The Pac 12 had agreed to take both and then the deal just fell apart.

So everything I write is true - or as true as it can be at the moment. The danger is always a lag between what was true and what is true now.

I do my best to cross-reference. I've been way over my head in all of this and I feel the obligation to be as accurate as I can be. I don't have all the pieces of the puzzle and for the last 6 weeks information has been hard to come by and closely guarded by those who have it.

Here's what I believe the current state of expansion in the Big 12 right now:

1. FSU is destined to be a member of the Big 12. FSU simply can't compete with their SEC neighbors with the current ACC TV contract.

2. Nothing the ACC has done, be it the Orange Bowl deal or talks with ND, has closed the revenue gap.

3. FSU believes it could make as much as $36 million per year from media revenues (T1, T2 and T3) in the Big 12.

4. The Big 12 was divided on expansion and who to add. FSU was the only unanimous choice.

5. The Big 12 has agreed to add FSU and wait to see who adds the most value as #12.

6. There is no time table for FSU joining the Big 12. Most likely the window for 2013 has closed. Eric Barron is running the expansion train right now and he agrees with the BoT that its the right move. He is being very deliberate.

7. The ball is now in FSU's court. FSU understands they have an invite when they decide to move.

8. The only hope the ACC has is ND. Only ND joining as a full member would keep FSU in the ACC.

9. Most likely FSU is waiting, much like the Big 12 waited, for ND to re-up with NBC.

10. DeLoss Dodds has Swarbrick's personal assurance that ND will not join the ACC in any capacity.

If I get any more info I'll update it here.
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Of course you quoted the dumbest mother****er in the history of discussion, but no credible person has said that as far as I'm aware.

Of course you're probably in the top five for that "award" yourself
What makes you say that pilgrim?
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