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Old 08-01-2012, 09:35 AM   #4606
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Where are my posts in any MU thread since you left the conference July 1?

Please...show me.
Who cares where the posts reside? Look over this thread, MU seems to be in your mouth pretty much all the time.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:36 AM   #4607
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Who cares where the posts reside? Look over this thread, MU seems to be in your mouth pretty much all the time.
I'm talking about SEC teams playing for National Championships.

Believe me. Nothing about that has anything to do with MU Football.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:39 AM   #4609
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Every single game involving an SEC team was down in ratings from the year before.

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False. Do you EVER think before you post?
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Texas gets what it wants = Texas runs everything

Texas is told no by it's conference brethren = Everyone hates each other and Texas runs everything

Missouri gets shipped out to play in the SEC East = Everyone in the SEC is equal

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I'm talking about SEC teams playing for National Championships.

Believe me. Nothing about that has anything to do with MU Football.
They were talking about Texas and the BIG12 and you are the one who brought MU again..so if it has nothing to do with MU, THEN WHY DID YOU BRING IT UP.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:03 AM   #4612
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I'm talking about SEC teams playing for National Championships.

Believe me. Nothing about that has anything to do with MU Football.
Right, you just spend hours posting here about MU's conference, MU's media contract, MU's football attendance, photos of their football stadium, etc., and it has nothing to do with MU or your obsession / inferiority complex at all.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:13 AM   #4613
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False. Do you EVER think before you post?
Who am I missing?
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:15 AM   #4614
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They were talking about Texas and the BIG12 and you are the one who brought MU again..so if it has nothing to do with MU, THEN WHY DID YOU BRING IT UP.
Simple comparisons that no conferences are "equal". I didn't think it was that hard to grasp.

Auburn should have obviously moved to the East but they are staying right where they want.

Just using MU as an example as certain teams in the SEC exerting their power.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:16 AM   #4615
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Right, you just spend hours posting here about MU's conference, MU's media contract, MU's football attendance, photos of their football stadium, etc., and it has nothing to do with MU or your obsession / inferiority complex at all.
MU has had a head coach for a decade and they are entering the 2012 football season outside of Phil Steele's Top 50 teams.

I don't think anyone at KU is feeling "inferior" to that.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:19 AM   #4616
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No it isn't. Comparing games that are on cable to those on network like Spinnerson did is.
It has nothing to do with comparisons. The game was largely viewed as a ratings disaster and expedited a move away from the current BCS system. The majority of the country is not interested in a regional intra-conference game, no matter how good the twoteams may be.

The public would be much more accepting of such a championship game if the two same conference teams earned their way there via playoff, they did not like a system in which the coaches involved could manipulate votes to get their teams a better opportunity to play.

All this other crap about cable versus network is spin. Spin is better if there is an element of truth to it, but its still spin. Most of the country outside of the SEC footprint did not tune in, and it had little to do with it being a cable broadcast. I'm sure if you break the cable numbers down per region, most of those "great cable ratings from a 2 year sample pool" came from the southeast region of the country.

That's why there was this big push to move towards a playoff when even at the beginning of that season they were saying how a playoff just wasn't viable with the bowl system, and, maybe at best, we could get a plus one system. That championship game changed peoples minds. People didn't like that a team that didn't win its division got access to the championship game. They didn't like that it was a rematch. They didn't like how certain coaches (uh hmm) voted OSU much lower than the average while placing Alabama in the #2 spot.

So, if you don't want to claim this is spin, go ahead, it only makes you look naive.
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Despite airing the highest rated college football game in five years, CBS’ SEC coverage was only able to pull even with last year.

CBS averaged a 4.2 rating for SEC football games during the 2011 regular season, even with last year (4.2) and down 5% from 2009 (4.4). The network’s SEC coverage averaged the highest rating of any college football package.

Keep in mind the CBS averages do not include non-SEC fare, such as the Army/Air Force game earlier this season that earned a mere 1.1 rating.

CBS’ season concluded with the December 4 SEC Championship Game between #1 LSU and #14 Georgia. LSU’s win earned a 7.3 final rating and 12.016 million viewers, up 22% in ratings and 19% in viewership from last year (AUB/SC: 6.0, 10.093M), but down 34% and 33%, respectively, from 2009 (ALA/UF: 11.1, 17.969M).

The game ranks as the highest rated SEC Championship Game since 2001 (7.9) that did not feature Alabama against Florida.

CBS aired the three highest rated and most-viewed college football games of the season — the aforementioned LSU/Georgia game, LSU/Arkansas on ‘Black Friday’ (6.3, 10.444M), and LSU/Alabama on November 5 (11.5, 20.011M). For some perspective, ABC’s top game of the season drew a 6.1 and 9.744 million viewers.
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MU has had a head coach for a decade and they are entering the 2012 football season outside of Phil Steele's Top 50 teams.

I don't think anyone at KU is feeling "inferior" to that.
Who is Phil Steele? Your boyfriend? Never heard of him. Don't give a shit what he thinks.

And you're basically inferior to EVERY PROGRAM THAT WON AT LEAST ONE CONFERENCE GAME LAST YEAR. I think that includes pretty much.... everybody.
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According to Nielsen, the SEC was far and away the most watched conference in college football last fall.

The league averaged a shade under 4.5 million viewers per telecast. That figure was about 1.2 million more than the next-highest conference, the Big Ten with almost 3.3 million per telecast. Believe it or not, the third-highest conference was the ACC with 2.65 million viewers per telecast. The Big 12 was fourth with 2.3 million per telecast, the Pac-12 was fifth with 2.1 million per telecast, and the Big East was sixth with 1.9 million per telecast.

A theme should be apparent: the top three conferences have almost all of their big games on ESPN/ABC. The sole exception is the SEC with its weekly feature game guaranteed to appear in every household with a TV in the country on CBS. The SEC's game of the week never has to suffer lower ratings from being put in regional coverage. The Big 12 and Pac-12 have a lot of second tier games on the Fox Sports Net channels and the Pac-12 had some on Versus, both of which which have far less carriage than ESPN and ESPN2.

The Pac-12's monster contract seems preposterous in light of these numbers, but keep in mind that its old TV deal is universally considered the worst among all the major conferences. It also had some advantages unrelated to its overall attractiveness as a TV property that other leagues didn't. I expect to see the numbers for that league move up with its new, far better deal. I don't expect to see it approach SEC viewership though, which is why I think Mike Slive will broker a mammoth deal when his league's contract is reopened in light of conference expansion. The Nielsen report highlights that the first Alabama-LSU game scored 20 million viewers, while the second was by far the most-watched BCS game with 24 million viewers.

The report also includes basketball, and the SEC fares better there than you'd think. The Big Ten was actually the ratings leader last year for January-March 13 (pre-NCAA tournament) with about 1.5 million viewers per game. The vaunted ACC was second with 1.25 million, while the SEC came in just behind with 1.22 million per game. Everyone focuses on the football aspect of the SEC's deal with ESPN, but it includes wide carriage of the other big sports like basketball and baseball. I don't know where to begin to find baseball ratings numbers, but the fact that the league almost matches the ACC in basketball shows that the deal is great for the hoops side of things.

Finally, the report goes over some ad spending stats for football and basketball from 2007-08 to 2010-11. The overall winner is March Madness, which has had ad spending of over $700 million and saw ad spending of over $1 billion for the 2011 tournament. College football's regular season is next at around $570 million for 2007-09 and $604 million for 2010. The college basketball regular season comes in third in the $265-$295 range.

Football's bowl season came in last, but the trend is the most interesting thing about it. From the 2007-08 bowls to the 2009-10 bowls, ad spending rose from $309.6 million to $339.9 million to $373.1 million. In the 2010-11 bowl season, ad spending crashed to $182.5 million. The bad economy probably has a lot to do with that, but ad spending for everything else ticked up noticeably in 2011. My completely speculative conjecture is that advertisers chose to pull money out of bowl season and spend it during the basketball tournament.

Whatever the case, I can't help but think that decreased ad spending is in part linked to decreased interest in bowl season. No one cares when, for instance, 6-7 UCLA and 6-6 Illinois face off after both fired their coaches. Plenty of bowl matchups each year fail to move the proverbial needle. That's why I think college football is likely to make moves to revamp its postseason by introducing a four-team playoff and raising the bowl eligibility bar to seven wins from six. The latter is a repudiation of more-is-better philosophy and is really the only glimmer of hope that college football's power brokers will ever be able to stave off bracket creep.

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According to Nielsen, the SEC was far and away the most watched conference in college football last fall.

The league averaged a shade under 4.5 million viewers per telecast. That figure was about 1.2 million more than the next-highest conference, the Big Ten with almost 3.3 million per telecast. Believe it or not, the third-highest conference was the ACC with 2.65 million viewers per telecast. The Big 12 was fourth with 2.3 million per telecast, the Pac-12 was fifth with 2.1 million per telecast, and the Big East was sixth with 1.9 million per telecast.

A theme should be apparent: the top three conferences have almost all of their big games on ESPN/ABC. The sole exception is the SEC with its weekly feature game guaranteed to appear in every household with a TV in the country on CBS. The SEC's game of the week never has to suffer lower ratings from being put in regional coverage. The Big 12 and Pac-12 have a lot of second tier games on the Fox Sports Net channels and the Pac-12 had some on Versus, both of which which have far less carriage than ESPN and ESPN2.

The Pac-12's monster contract seems preposterous in light of these numbers, but keep in mind that its old TV deal is universally considered the worst among all the major conferences. It also had some advantages unrelated to its overall attractiveness as a TV property that other leagues didn't. I expect to see the numbers for that league move up with its new, far better deal. I don't expect to see it approach SEC viewership though, which is why I think Mike Slive will broker a mammoth deal when his league's contract is reopened in light of conference expansion. The Nielsen report highlights that the first Alabama-LSU game scored 20 million viewers, while the second was by far the most-watched BCS game with 24 million viewers.

The report also includes basketball, and the SEC fares better there than you'd think. The Big Ten was actually the ratings leader last year for January-March 13 (pre-NCAA tournament) with about 1.5 million viewers per game. The vaunted ACC was second with 1.25 million, while the SEC came in just behind with 1.22 million per game. Everyone focuses on the football aspect of the SEC's deal with ESPN, but it includes wide carriage of the other big sports like basketball and baseball. I don't know where to begin to find baseball ratings numbers, but the fact that the league almost matches the ACC in basketball shows that the deal is great for the hoops side of things.

Finally, the report goes over some ad spending stats for football and basketball from 2007-08 to 2010-11. The overall winner is March Madness, which has had ad spending of over $700 million and saw ad spending of over $1 billion for the 2011 tournament. College football's regular season is next at around $570 million for 2007-09 and $604 million for 2010. The college basketball regular season comes in third in the $265-$295 range.

Football's bowl season came in last, but the trend is the most interesting thing about it. From the 2007-08 bowls to the 2009-10 bowls, ad spending rose from $309.6 million to $339.9 million to $373.1 million. In the 2010-11 bowl season, ad spending crashed to $182.5 million. The bad economy probably has a lot to do with that, but ad spending for everything else ticked up noticeably in 2011. My completely speculative conjecture is that advertisers chose to pull money out of bowl season and spend it during the basketball tournament.

Whatever the case, I can't help but think that decreased ad spending is in part linked to decreased interest in bowl season. No one cares when, for instance, 6-7 UCLA and 6-6 Illinois face off after both fired their coaches. Plenty of bowl matchups each year fail to move the proverbial needle. That's why I think college football is likely to make moves to revamp its postseason by introducing a four-team playoff and raising the bowl eligibility bar to seven wins from six. The latter is a repudiation of more-is-better philosophy and is really the only glimmer of hope that college football's power brokers will ever be able to stave off bracket creep.

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exactly. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy the SEC on CBS. But when it's the only game in town it's hard not to watch. you get to setup a great matchup every week.

The proof comes in the bowl games. Where these teams get spread all over different networks. The ratings reflect the interest of the entire country.

The playoff will help though. People will be compelled to watch two teams that have won a "semi-final" game instead of two schools that were simply placed there.
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