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Old 01-31-2012, 02:52 PM  
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:03 PM   #5401
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This came up last go around, and I could have sworn that KU's football program still made more than it's basketball program, as ridiculous as that sounds.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:12 PM   #5402
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According to this source, Ku's basketball program made fifteen million in revenue in 2010. (compared to eleven million for duke.) http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news...fits/index.htm
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:03 PM   #5403
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Do you know where KU's program stands?
they are not among the top 100 revenue producing football or basketball programs.

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Old 11-28-2012, 09:04 PM   #5404
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According to this source, Ku's basketball program made fifteen million in revenue in 2010. (compared to eleven million for duke.) http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news...fits/index.htm
...and 20 million for North Carolina
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:08 PM   #5405
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By the way, the B1G looks really good on the court so far this year. tOSU with an early lead at Duke.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:11 PM   #5406
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By the way, the B1G looks really good on the court so far this year. tOSU with an early lead at Duke.
break up the Buckeyes. They really should be in the championship game against Notre Dame, and if they are good in basketball this year too? Wow.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:23 PM   #5407
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break up the Buckeyes. They really should be in the championship game against Notre Dame, and if they are good in basketball this year too? Wow.
Shades of Florida from a few years ago. (Except for the no titles thing, of course.)
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:26 PM   #5408
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Thanks for the heads-up by the way, got the game on TV now.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:26 PM   #5409
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Thanks for the heads-up by the way, got the game on TV now.
Just in time for halftime.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:21 PM   #5410
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By the way, the B1G looks really good on the court so far this year. tOSU with an early lead at Duke.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:15 PM   #5412
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they are not among the top 100 revenue producing football or basketball programs.

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The Jayhawks have steadily grown in value under Self’s reign, and they are now worth more than either Duke or Kentucky. FORBES first valued college basketball teams in 2008, ranking Kansas eighth with a value of $16 million. Kansas has since moved up in the rankings in each successive list, and in this year’s valuation it ranked third with a value of $28.2 million. Kansas’ value grew by 18% since 2010, more than double the 7% average growth experienced by the 20 most valuable teams.
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The Big 12 is suddenly an outlier in college athletics. In a couple of years it will be the smallest BCS conference. As it is, the Big 12 can't even count to 12 (teams).

Superconferences loom. Conference networks surround it. With Louisville hooking up with the ACC, it looks like the realignment carousel is passing by the Big 12. Again.

And things couldn't be better in the Pure Prairie League (plus West Virginia). That continues to be the opinion of Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

“You and others may think I'm crazy,” he told CBSSports.com on Wednesday. “I think no one has proven to me that larger is better. ... If we had the opportunity geographically or financially for something that clearly moved the needle, we'd be on them.”

There isn't that school out there at the moment. That includes Louisville, which the league had vetted in the past.

One industry source estimated Big 12 schools will be cashing checks for $30 million-plus in the first year of the playoff beginning in 2014. The total now stands at approximately $20 million per school. Beginning in 2014, the Big 12 will begin taking in $40 million per year from the alignment with the Sugar Bowl (previously Champions Bowl).

There's your opportunity -- as Bowlsby put it -- that moves the needle. Expansion in the form of a bowl game split between the Big 12 and SEC.

A conference championship game doesn't make much financial sense. One media consultant says such a game would be worth only $700,000-$1 million a year per school. Not an insignificant amount but worth having to split with two more mouths to feed?

Think of it in Powerball terms. It's easier to make more money if you and nine friends combined to buy tickets for Wednesday's drawing instead of 12.

“I would be laughing,” said a source who has worked closely with the Big 12. “They're in great shape. If the TV deal was lousy, if in two or three years their network deal was coming up [then I could see it]. But right now, the Big 12 has hit the lottery. They've got it perfect. Those guys have it on Easy Street.”

Further reasons the Big 12 is in good shape:

-- Big 12 expansion rests, indirectly, on a perceived gentleman's agreement with the SEC. The league supposedly would not expand to states where there currently are teams. That seemingly takes Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech out of the mix.

If the SEC honors that agreement, then the SEC might go after NC State and/or Virginia Tech if Mike Slive feels like he has to respond to the Big Ten's recent moves. In that occurrence, Florida State, Clemson and Georgia Tech would be in play for the Big 12.

Even then industry sources argue whether one or some combination of those schools brings pro rata – at least equal value – to the Big 12.

-- The Big Ten and SEC need inventory for their networks. That's part of what the Big Ten's expansion was about. The SEC has yet to play its hand in further expansion but is launching a lucrative network in approximately 15 months. The league might add a ninth conference game to add inventory for the network.

There is no market for a Big 12 network. ESPN/Fox own all the games except for one (nonconference) game owned by each school. Schools choose how to monetize those contests via streaming, pay-per-view, etc.

“You can't start a network with 10 games,” an industry source said.

Especially with The Longhorn Network basically keeping Texas out of the mix.

-- The Big 12 can't lose any schools in the next 13 years (see below) so a raid by another conference seems unlikely. Think of a law of diminishing returns. The ACC's 14 aren't going to be making as much as the Big 12's 10. The pecking order will remain the same: The Big Ten and SEC will be 1-2 in revenue in some order. The Big 12 and Pac-12 will be 3-4 in some order. The ACC will be the fifth major conference, still most vulnerable to being picked apart by one of the other four.

That's what the Louisville move was about. It keeps the ACC whole for now, but what if (Big Ten commissioner Jim) Delany isn't done?

“We've lost our moral compass and we've lost our financial compass. This is damage for damage's sake,” one BCS source said of the current round of shifting. “Invading a country that you need for your own security. No one is going to convince me that intercollegiate athletics is better if the Big East goes away or the ACC goes away.”

-- There is a growing vibe that the Big 12 has to do something. It could be the mom-and-pop surrounded by big box stores if you believe the future is superconferences. Florida State, Miami, Clemson and Virginia Tech are seemingly out there for the picking.

The superconference carousel might come and go with the Big 12 staying at a nice, tidy 10. It already has a 13-year year contract with ESPN and Fox paying the league more than $1 billion. That coincides with a grant-of-rights that basically keeps any of the teams from leaving. If Texas and/or Oklahoma split for, say, the Pac-12 then the Big 12 would keep its TV rights.

Conclusion: Texas/Oklahoma isn't leaving for the Pac-12.

Further conclusion: Any league that includes those two schools remains worth keeping together.

All this comes with a huge disclaimer: As long as there are lawyers, never say never. The ACC's $50 million exit fee wasn't a big enough impediment for Maryland. But the Big 12 -- for the moment -- is more than happy with 10.
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they are not among the top 100 revenue producing football or basketball programs.
Um, your link mentions profit not revenue. Only a fool would think KU doesn't rank in the top 100 basketball revenue producers, lol


Second, the links also show KU leads the Big 12 in hoops revenue the past few years reported. No surprise to those with brains


Third, Forbes ranks KU 3rd in the nation among most valuable hoops programs earning over $17M in annual profit.
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