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OK... so how is that "raping" the rest of the Big 12? Isn't that "raping" the rest of college football?
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Old 09-10-2013, 09:40 PM   #8118
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OK... so how is that "raping" the rest of the Big 12? Isn't that "raping" the rest of college football?
Their athletic department is a dumpster fire, so the joke is on them at the moment.
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Their athletic department is a dumpster fire, so the joke is on them at the moment.
Hard to disagree with that.
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Doesn't seem to be impacting Baylor much and their OOC is worse than ours. The "strength" of the OOC has very little to do with a team's fortunes. If fans perceive it as a winning (or at least improving) team, they'll come out to watch. Kansas football is not a "needle mover" and most likely will not achieve that status.

We don't need a "compelling matchup" we need to be competitive in the B12, that's it. I have trouble following your logic. First, you say we "need" a compelling matchup", then, you say it isn't likely to happen until the program gets better, then you go back to the present schedule? Why? Wouldn't it have been more consistent if you were looking at KU's future opponents when you moved to your second point than rehashing the first?

With that in mind, in 2014 we play at Duke, not necessarily a football masterpiece, but it has the "compelling" basketball schools playing each other in football angle. In 2015 we're at Rutgers, in 2016 we host Hawaii, we go to the Aloha State in 2017, and then host Rutger in 2018.

Admittedly, its not the kind of stuff "Gameday" is going to have to choose between, but I really do't know what else you expect by something "compelling". Unless KU is ranked, the only fans that are going to be "compelled" to watch are KU fans and fans of the other team. But, I would hazard to guess, its not much different for the majority of schools out there. Only a handful of teams represent programs a fan base outside the participants would find at least a casual interest in. Those teams are NOT Kansas, Kansas St or Missouri.

You want to know how Kansas can be "compelling"? Its only if their good, because Charlie Weis, love him or hate him, is the type of personality that elicits a response. If Kansas is good, they'll be compelling because Weis is the "name" coach who brought the program back when no one really thought he could head coach his way out of a paper bag. That's the reason KU might be compelling, it has absolutely nothing to do with an OOC opponent.
Lot of different points here...

Baylor's schedule includes all of their rivals. They don't have to worry much about their non-con.

A game against Mizzou will help generate excitement, but they need to focus on not being a complete disaster first. Getting waxed by your rival when your rival isn't even that good won't provide any benefit. Once Kansas gets up off the mat, the game will resume.

Basketball schools playing football creates zero excitement. None. Does anyone get excited about a basketball game between Alabama and USC? Of course not. Hawaii, Rutgers, Duke, etc. are throwaway games.

Mizzou would be the biggest game of the year for Kansas by a mile.

I don't even care that much. It would be fun, but right now, every conference game is an event unto itself. In a few years, when some of the novelty wears off, maybe I will care more about a Kansas game. For now, I don't miss it at all. When you've got aTm, Florida, Tennessee, etc. coming to town, seemingly every game is a big game.
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Lot of different points here...

Baylor's schedule includes all of their rivals. They don't have to worry much about their non-con.

A game against Mizzou will help generate excitement, but they need to focus on not being a complete disaster first. Getting waxed by your rival when your rival isn't even that good won't provide any benefit. Once Kansas gets up off the mat, the game will resume.

Basketball schools playing football creates zero excitement. None. Does anyone get excited about a basketball game between Alabama and USC? Of course not. Hawaii, Rutgers, Duke, etc. are throwaway games.

Mizzou would be the biggest game of the year for Kansas by a mile.

I don't even care that much. It would be fun, but right now, every conference game is an event unto itself. In a few years, when some of the novelty wears off, maybe I will care more about a Kansas game. For now, I don't miss it at all. When you've got aTm, Florida, Tennessee, etc. coming to town, seemingly every game is a big game.
Someone call Zenger. We're missing our biggest game of the year.
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What is the biggest game on your schedule? Don't google "Kansas football schedule", btw. That brings up K-State.
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Historically it's never been Mizzou. None of the top-10 crowds in our history were Mizzou. (That would be zero). 3 each for Nebraska and KState.
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Historically it's never been Mizzou. None of the top-10 crowds in our history were Mizzou. (That would be zero). 3 each for Nebraska and KState.
That's because Mizzou fans don't travel to Lawrence in large numbers. Being the visiting in your home stadium sounds like it sucks. The 2007 had more fans than any game ever played in Lawrence, though.

Besides...Nebraska is long gone, too. You've lost your biggest rivalry game (Mizzou), and your third biggest "rivalry" game (Nebraska). Besides Kansas State, there isn't an interesting game on your schedule...especially your home schedule. If Oklahoma or Texas were on top, it would be interesting to go out and see Sam Bradford or Vince Young come to town, but neither of those teams have any real star power at the moment. Any team coached by Bob Stoops is somewhat of a draw, but he's lost his swagger.

If you think Kansas has a compelling schedule, that's your prerogative. I just don't see it. Good teams? Sure. Interesting matchups that make anyone take notice? Nope...
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What is the biggest game on your schedule? Don't google "Kansas football schedule", btw. That brings up K-State.
The "biggest game on the schedule" is whatever game means the most during a given year.

KU Football isn't like the basketball games where they are nationwide events. No one is arguing that.

Fact is that the MU game held importance yes because it was a state rivalry but much more important was that the outcome directly affected the standings in the conference.

You can holler all you want about a "rivalry game" but they don't matter unless it counts.

You can laugh all you want but KU is interested in winning the Big 12 Conference in football and going to the CFB playoffs. You don't go and spend the money on a coach like Weis, build an entirely new track facility in anticipation of renovating your stadium if that wasn't the goal.
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They may not be in the same conference anymore, but it may not be too long before Syracuse and Georgetown renew annual acquaintance on the basketball floor.

According to Syracuse.com, Syracuse has agreed to the concept of a decade-long series with the Hoyas, and is waiting to hear back from Georgetown.

“We love the concept. We want the concept. We heard that they want the concept,” Syracuse Executive Senior Associate Athletics Director/Chief Communications Officer for External Affairs Joe Giansante told the site Wednesday night. “And so discussions are taking place to try to get something to where we can move it to the phase where we would actually contract the teams to have them happen.”

Conference realignment has sacrificed a number of long-time sports rivalries, and Syracuse-Georgetown would be a nice one to salvage, especially if the rivalry smack continues to live up to Big East standards.
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Lot of different points here...

Baylor's schedule includes all of their rivals. They don't have to worry much about their non-con.

A game against Mizzou will help generate excitement, but they need to focus on not being a complete disaster first. Getting waxed by your rival when your rival isn't even that good won't provide any benefit. Once Kansas gets up off the mat, the game will resume.

Basketball schools playing football creates zero excitement. None. Does anyone get excited about a basketball game between Alabama and USC? Of course not. Hawaii, Rutgers, Duke, etc. are throwaway games.

Mizzou would be the biggest game of the year for Kansas by a mile.

I don't even care that much. It would be fun, but right now, every conference game is an event unto itself. In a few years, when some of the novelty wears off, maybe I will care more about a Kansas game. For now, I don't miss it at all. When you've got aTm, Florida, Tennessee, etc. coming to town, seemingly every game is a big game.
It completely missed the point. The thing that generates excitement is the team's prospects for that year. I guarantee you if KU is projected to do well for a season in the future, its not going to matter whether MU is on that schedule or not. KU just wants to win the 3 OOC and then compete in the conference slate. Fans will come to support a team in contention.

The only way your argument works is if KU never gets out of the pit they dug and is never projected to do well in the future. Then, mostly for all the wrong reasons, that KU-Mu would generate interest. But, that goes completely against your logic of "having to get up off the matt" first. If KU is up, MU matters less, not more. The anticipatory games will be against the better conference opponents, not an OOC.

Besides, at the rate things are going, the top conferences want to separate and only playagainst "like" competition in a different classification. Most probably, the OOC slate will soon be just these top conference teams. Would MU generate more regional interest? Sure. Is it necessary? Not really, not from our perspective anyway.
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It completely missed the point. The thing that generates excitement is the team's prospects for that year. I guarantee you if KU is projected to do well for a season in the future, its not going to matter whether MU is on that schedule or not. KU just wants to win the 3 OOC and then compete in the conference slate. Fans will come to support a team in contention.

The only way your argument works is if KU never gets out of the pit they dug and is never projected to do well in the future. Then, mostly for all the wrong reasons, that KU-Mu would generate interest. But, that goes completely against your logic of "having to get up off the matt" first. If KU is up, MU matters less, not more. The anticipatory games will be against the better conference opponents, not an OOC.

Besides, at the rate things are going, the top conferences want to separate and only playagainst "like" competition in a different classification. Most probably, the OOC slate will soon be just these top conference teams. Would MU generate more regional interest? Sure. Is it necessary? Not really, not from our perspective anyway.
I can't think of any rivalry games where two teams play each other while not in the same conference that really matter.

I guess Florida St and Florida or something like that but whatever.
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I guess Florida St and Florida or something like that but whatever.
Michigan v Notre Dame.. Notre Dame v USC... Louisville v Kentucky in up years...
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