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Old 10-14-2013, 10:28 AM   #8956
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The league's perception is hurt right now big time w/ OU & Texas not both being among the elite. In fact it looks as though there are no elite teams in the Big 12 at the moment although Baylor has yet to play anybody of consequence so they are still somewhat of an unknown. Struggling at Kst doesn't necessarily alarm me unless we see them do it again in conference play.

I don't think there's any question that the league was hurt by expansion. Smaller footprint, Fewer "name" programs. Those things speak to perception, which is important and will drive TV $ long term. The #'s they are throwing around right now for the SEC are mind boggling.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...eases/1836389/

Also, recruiting is down across the board

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...k/2014/all/all

although that is likely due to multiple reasons.

I am w/ the others that think TCU was a terrible add. They don't bring anything to the table the league didn't already possess. I would have taken Louisville. Spinning #'s notwithstanding. WVA OTOH was an excellent choice given available options. They will be fine long term they are just adjusting to not getting to play South Florida and UCONN every other week.

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All that said, the other thing that's important to remember is that the reality is that we've just hit the pause button on expansion. IDK about the where or when but I don't believe for a second that it's over.
It's not really "expansion" when you're talking about the Big 12. That's like calling a gang-rape an orgy.
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:29 AM   #8957
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I will predict that the SEC's streak of championships ends this year. It has to end eventually, right.
Alabama looks beatable relatively speaking. The other powers are either dealing w/ injuries or have noticeable flaws. The gap is not near as wide (if at all) between the SEC's elite and Oregon/Clemson/Fla St.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:41 AM   #8958
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Yet one of those teams feasted on Texas with a 21 point win IN AUSTIN.

The Big 12 is just one big famine...and KU is the Donner party.
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9. Bob Stoops helped prove the Big 12 was "bottom heavy" by getting whipped by Mack Brown and Texas.

Is it worth mentioning that the tenth best team in the SEC, Ole Miss, beat the same Texas team that Oklahoma just lost to by 16 at a neutral site, by 21 in Austin? Or is that just rubbing it in?

I'd love for a reporter to mention the SEC's eight top 25 teams, Ole Miss's 21 point road win over Texas, and then ask, "So do you still think the SEC is top heavy?"



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This 100 years of frustration finally being relieved is good for my MU friends. Should be interesting to see where things take them. I feel good for them.
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9. Bob Stoops helped prove the Big 12 was "bottom heavy" by getting whipped by Mack Brown and Texas.

Is it worth mentioning that the tenth best team in the SEC, Ole Miss, beat the same Texas team that Oklahoma just lost to by 16 at a neutral site, by 21 in Austin? Or is that just rubbing it in?

I'd love for a reporter to mention the SEC's eight top 25 teams, Ole Miss's 21 point road win over Texas, and then ask, "So do you still think the SEC is top heavy?"



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It is fair to ask the question of whether or not the best teams in the Big 12 could finish in the top half of the SEC.

The SEC had been the best conference for years. What did they do for an encore? They ripped two teams from the Big 12 that, a year later, would be the two best teams in the Big 12.

How incompetent was Dean Beebee, by the way? If Mizzou and aTm hadn't left, that guy would still be in charge.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:27 PM   #8962
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It is fair to ask the question of whether or not the best teams in the Big 12 could finish in the top half of the SEC.

The SEC had been the best conference for years. What did they do for an encore? They ripped two teams from the Big 12 that, a year later, would be the two best teams in the Big 12.

How incompetent was Dean Beebee, by the way? If Mizzou and aTm hadn't left, that guy would still be in charge.
I liked #8....

Can you imagine how much Mike Slive is sitting in his office right now laughing at those who said he made a mistake with aTm and Mizzou? If I was that guy I would find the people who gave him crap about it and ask, "so, how do you like me now?"
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I liked #8....

Can you imagine how much Mike Slive is sitting in his office right now laughing at those who said he made a mistake with aTm and Mizzou? If I was that guy I would find the people who gave him crap about it and ask, "so, how do you like me now?"
Hard to argue with 11-1.

Meanwhile, Baylor and Texas Tech are the Big 12's golden children.
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Not at all. I was at the Ritz in Sarasota this weekend and during the games and the valet guy started talking to me cause I was wearing my game day KU shirt. He had on a mizzou shirt under his uniform and he wasn't allowed to look at his phone or go inside so I kept running out from the bar to tell him that the Tigers were winning.

I also won $10 from a bet I made the night before against an Alabama fan because I knew MU would cover the 9 point spread.
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Old 10-14-2013, 12:44 PM   #8966
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Both were as good of adds last yr as they are this year. LOL'g at MU last yr in spite of our injuries is just as shortsighted as talking us up just b/c we're having a good yr (so far). Both expanded the league's footprint & are large state schools.

SEC $ is going to do for MU long term what's done for Ark. Similarly to the Hogs we aren't winning the league anytime soon if ever but we will add to the leagues overall depth long term and are capable of competing and being pretty good.

IDK if they ever will but aTm has the infrastructure to win championships and compete on an elite level both in league and nationally. Neither can be said for TCU or WVA but if you can get them consistently matched up w/ Big Ten schools in the bowls simpletons won't know the difference.
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The league's perception is hurt right now big time w/ OU & Texas not both being among the elite. In fact it looks as though there are no elite teams in the Big 12 at the moment although Baylor has yet to play anybody of consequence so they are still somewhat of an unknown. Struggling at Kst doesn't necessarily alarm me unless we see them do it again in conference play.
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I don't think there's any question that the league was hurt by expansion. Smaller footprint, Fewer "name" programs.

True. But I'm only speaking to quality of play, not reputation. If someone argues the perception weakened then of course it did. But surely you'd agree that Nebraska and Colorado are bigger names than they are quality programs right now.



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Those things speak to perception, which is important and will drive TV $ long term. The #'s they are throwing around right now for the SEC are mind boggling.
I'm not certain the perennial bottom feeders in the SEC have good "perception" - I'd argue it's terrible. They are welfare queens feeding off the popularity and success of your Big 6.



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Also, recruiting is down across the board

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...k/2014/all/all

although that is likely due to multiple reasons.
True but we'll wait and see on that. USC is terrible with the best players.



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I am w/ the others that think TCU was a terrible add. They don't bring anything to the table the league didn't already possess.

True. But we are talking only quality of football, which vis-a-vis the programs that left, isn't much of a drop.


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Couldn't, Fox dictated the WVU selection.



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Spinning #'s notwithstanding. WVA OTOH was an excellent choice given available options. They will be fine long term they are just adjusting to not getting to play South Florida and UCONN every other week.
They are going to have a long, tough slog now given their travel situation esp for basketball. I don't know where they recruit but they really don't have any new pipeline to Texas opened up since they're so remote. They're a really odd duck in the Big 12.


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All that said, the other thing that's important to remember is that the reality is that we've just hit the pause button on expansion. IDK about the where or when but I don't believe for a second that it's over.

Realignment has happened since the beginning of time, there's no reason for anyone to assume it's ever over because technology, population shifts, etc always change.
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Hard to argue with 11-1..

And it's equally hard to argue with 1-16 from the SEC bottom feeders.
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Both were as good of adds last yr as they are this year. LOL'g at MU last yr in spite of our injuries is just as shortsighted as talking us up just b/c we're having a good yr (so far). Both expanded the league's footprint & are large state schools.
Agree with this completely. Without Franklin, Mizzou will very likely lose several games this year (including some they'd likely win with Frank).


The incredible start is nice, but 8-4 isn't out of the real of possibility given Frank's arm.
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Agree with this completely. Without Franklin, Mizzou will very likely lose several games this year (including some they'd likely win with Frank).


The incredible start is nice, but 8-4 isn't out of the real of possibility given Frank's arm.
8-4 would be a disappointment after this start, but still might be enough to get a Gator Bowl slot against a Big Ten opponent.

Before the season started, any of us would have called that a successful season.
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