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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:24 PM   #1411
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I dunno, MU didn't recruit Tony Pierson...he came out of Missouri to Kansas and now is set to be the starting running back this fall. He average 5.6 yards a carry last season.

Sometimes kids just have a feeling about where they want to go. Rivals indicates that KU offered Rhodes and he's not interested in going there.

So I don't know where you're getting that Weis wasn't interested in him.
Pierson was actually a Tiger commit at one point in 2010. There was thought to be a grades issue with him at the time if I remember right so Mizzou started looking in another direction.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:31 PM   #1412
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So, how about some actual realignment/expansion rumors. From what I've read, the next major domino to fall is the ACC negotiations. If the ACC does not get what some of the more football focused schools think they could earn elsewhere, the ACC will start to fall apart. The biggest tell will be the "grant-of-rights" similar to what the Big XII did.

If ACC members agree to it, the contract could be bigger, but how much bigger is the key. Even with that, they would still be less valuable than the big four conferences. Another point is 3rd Tier rights. To max out the TV contract, ESPN will want control of those as well. Some schools think they could earn more if they keep them.

If the two sides cannot agree on a number, it will go to arbitration. After all that, it will depend if the member schools actually sign over the "grant-of-rights". If not, the SEC, B!G and Big XII will begin cherry picking schools. SEC wants states outside of its footprint, B!G wants academic status and TV market share, Big XII wants "name" programs that increase the contract size.

For the Big XII, the rise of the NBC Sports Network (formerly VERSUS) will be the key player. NBC desperately wants back into the big time college football scene and ESPN desperately wants to keep them out. The Big XII 1st Tier right are the last major piece of college football property up for bid in the near future. This was part of the motivation for ESPN to try and grab those earlier. Whether you think of Big XII as one of the top conferences or not, they find themselves in a very good position for a major contract award.

Then, there's the Notre Dame issue. Once College Football decides on the format for 2014 and beyond, Notre Dame will have to decide if independence is still in their best interest. If it isn't, its going to come down to geographic/natural rivals in the B!G versus Tier 3 opportunities in the Big XII. I don't see them as courting the SEC and the PAC is too far away.

Assuming the ACC falls, my prediction right now goes like this:

SEC: Virginia Tech and North Carolina St. These two really consolidate the SEC geographically and add large population states to their market. UNC a possibility, but I think they'll stick with the football platform.

Notre Dame throws everything out of whack, so I'm going to assume independence for them for now.

B!G: Rutgers, Maryland, UNC, Virginia. Academics a big draw for the B!G and all three provide large TV market share opportunities. Also, not too outside the B!G footprint. Duke, a possibility if UNC makes a strong case for them. Also, Georgia Tech is another possibility here.

Big XII: FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami and Pitt. Makes it much easier to move to a "eastern" and "western" split (sorry ISU, you're odd man out to the east). Brings back "Backyard Brawl" and gives WVU a closer regional partner. I know Pitt just left, but if the ACC falls apart, I don't see them staying.

Now, if Notre Dame decides conference affiliation is what they want, then:

B!G: Notre Dame probably replaces one of the more southern schools. Not sure what the Catholic demographic is in those states, but I imagine its higher in the northeast where they would draw bigger numbers for the conference.

Big XII: My guess is that they drop Miami. Notre Dame, Pitt, ISU and WVU make a nice regional with Louisville joining FSU, Clemson, and GT. Texas quad and OK-KS quad.

The B!G and the PAC are talking about cross conference scheduling, and I think you'll see a similar arrangement between the SEC and Big XII, too many natural rivalries to exploit not to. That's my crystal ball.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:31 PM   #1413
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I dunno, MU didn't recruit Tony Pierson...he came out of Missouri to Kansas and now is set to be the starting running back this fall. He average 5.6 yards a carry last season.

Sometimes kids just have a feeling about where they want to go. Rivals indicates that KU offered Rhodes and he's not interested in going there.

So I don't know where you're getting that Weis wasn't interested in him.
A little bit different situations, but your main premise is right. Rhodes was recruited by Kansas, just not interested in what the school had to offer (and apparently reacted really negatively to the pitch Grunhard/Weis used).

Missouri recruited Tony Pierson. He committed early and was sold on playing CB at Mizzou. Talked about his desire to be a shutdown corner and get things done.

Then he transferred to East St. Louis, the coach there got in his ear, and he decommitted to chase scholarships from Alabama, etc. as a running back.

When those didn't materialize, he tried to come back to Mizzou and was told "thanks, but no thanks."

Then he ended up at Kansas. Much longer and more contentious affair than what's going on with Rhodes.
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When Notre Dame decides to join a conference it will be the B1G 10. There's not much to debate about that.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:39 PM   #1415
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Realignment speculation from Bleacher Report.

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When Notre Dame decides to join a conference it will be the B1G 10. There's not much to debate about that.
There actually is debate about that. Notre Dame has "religious/ethical" issues with the B!G academic format and they must surrender all 3rd Tier rights to the conference network. If Notre Dame has decided conference affiliation makes more financial sense to them, they have more flexibility in the Big XII concerning those rights.

While I agree ND has the look and feel of B!G, that may not be the overriding factor. Throw in the relationship between Texas and Notre Dame, and saying "there's not much debate about that" isn't very objective.
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Realignment speculation from Bleacher Report.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...llege-football
The ACC thing will happen before the "grant-of-rights" runs out on the Big XII which kind of makes the whole article pointless. Texas doesn't have to worry about OU going somewhere, because it can hold its money to the Big XII.
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There actually is debate about that. Notre Dame has "religious/ethical" issues with the B!G academic format and they must surrender all 3rd Tier rights to the conference network. If Notre Dame has decided conference affiliation makes more financial sense to them, they have more flexibility in the Big XII concerning those rights.

While I agree ND has the look and feel of B!G, that may not be the overriding factor. Throw in the relationship between Texas and Notre Dame, and saying "there's not much debate about that" isn't very objective.
Dan Beebe vs Jim Delaney. I like the B1G Ten's chances.
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So, how about some actual realignment/expansion rumors. From what I've read, the next major domino to fall is the ACC negotiations. If the ACC does not get what some of the more football focused schools think they could earn elsewhere, the ACC will start to fall apart. The biggest tell will be the "grant-of-rights" similar to what the Big XII did.

If ACC members agree to it, the contract could be bigger, but how much bigger is the key. Even with that, they would still be less valuable than the big four conferences. Another point is 3rd Tier rights. To max out the TV contract, ESPN will want control of those as well. Some schools think they could earn more if they keep them.

If the two sides cannot agree on a number, it will go to arbitration. After all that, it will depend if the member schools actually sign over the "grant-of-rights". If not, the SEC, B!G and Big XII will begin cherry picking schools. SEC wants states outside of its footprint, B!G wants academic status and TV market share, Big XII wants "name" programs that increase the contract size.

For the Big XII, the rise of the NBC Sports Network (formerly VERSUS) will be the key player. NBC desperately wants back into the big time college football scene and ESPN desperately wants to keep them out. The Big XII 1st Tier right are the last major piece of college football property up for bid in the near future. This was part of the motivation for ESPN to try and grab those earlier. Whether you think of Big XII as one of the top conferences or not, they find themselves in a very good position for a major contract award.

Then, there's the Notre Dame issue. Once College Football decides on the format for 2014 and beyond, Notre Dame will have to decide if independence is still in their best interest. If it isn't, its going to come down to geographic/natural rivals in the B!G versus Tier 3 opportunities in the Big XII. I don't see them as courting the SEC and the PAC is too far away.

Assuming the ACC falls, my prediction right now goes like this:

SEC: Virginia Tech and North Carolina St. These two really consolidate the SEC geographically and add large population states to their market. UNC a possibility, but I think they'll stick with the football platform.

Notre Dame throws everything out of whack, so I'm going to assume independence for them for now.

B!G: Rutgers, Maryland, UNC, Virginia. Academics a big draw for the B!G and all three provide large TV market share opportunities. Also, not too outside the B!G footprint. Duke, a possibility if UNC makes a strong case for them. Also, Georgia Tech is another possibility here.

Big XII: FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami and Pitt. Makes it much easier to move to a "eastern" and "western" split (sorry ISU, you're odd man out to the east). Brings back "Backyard Brawl" and gives WVU a closer regional partner. I know Pitt just left, but if the ACC falls apart, I don't see them staying.

Now, if Notre Dame decides conference affiliation is what they want, then:

B!G: Notre Dame probably replaces one of the more southern schools. Not sure what the Catholic demographic is in those states, but I imagine its higher in the northeast where they would draw bigger numbers for the conference.

Big XII: My guess is that they drop Miami. Notre Dame, Pitt, ISU and WVU make a nice regional with Louisville joining FSU, Clemson, and GT. Texas quad and OK-KS quad.

The B!G and the PAC are talking about cross conference scheduling, and I think you'll see a similar arrangement between the SEC and Big XII, too many natural rivalries to exploit not to. That's my crystal ball.
What will the reaction be in Lawrence if the BIG XII tells KU they have to play Mizzou as part of a cross conference scheduling?
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What will the reaction be in Lawrence if the BIG XII tells KU they have to play Mizzou as part of a cross conference scheduling?
I think they will be on board with it.
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I think there will be a merger, however, if/when the ACC falls. The Big East and remaining ACC schools will form a conference with a basketball first philosophy centered largely on the east coast. It will hope for a restructuring of the NCAA Tournament and be the "fifth wheel" in a four conference dominated landscape during the college basketball season.
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What will the reaction be in Lawrence if the BIG XII tells KU they have to play Mizzou as part of a cross conference scheduling?
KU has never shied away from any opponent. Don't much reaction at all.
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