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Old 02-02-2012, 06:18 PM  
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:18 PM   #751
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Dickie V. put is on Bill Self. Said the rivalry should continue, and that if Bill Self were to say ku would play, that the AD and administration would go along. 4

Everyone said the rivalry should continue. Everyone pointed out that Mizzou is willing. Everyone pointed out that Kansas was the jilted wife whiny about divorce...that analogy just makes ku looks dumb on its own, by the way. If you think the announcers and pundits on Saturday were supportive of ku's position, you are more stupid than we give you credit for.
Missouri is leaving for the SEC, there is nothing for KU to gain by playing that game.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:22 PM   #752
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Missouri is leaving for the SEC, there is nothing for KU to gain by playing that game.
I didn't watch any of the gameday stuff.

Were all the panelists calling KU a "jilted lover" and calling them "stupid"?

I didn't get that feeling from the broadcast at all.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:24 PM   #753
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really??
They mentioned Self's agreement with the Baylor coach's quote about wanting to "Date" your ex-wife (nice editing there, Holly).

And Vitale and Shulman proceeded to comment on the analogy and disagree with the conclusion.

The heads made it clear that they felt KU was being petty.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:26 PM   #754
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What if Maryland left the ACC? Would Duke go out of their way to schedule them?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:27 PM   #755
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I understand where you're coming from, but how many mulligans do the Hawks get? KU has 5 losses. The 6 teams ranked above them have 12 total losses. The 3 teams behind them that round out the top 10 have 8 combined losses, and one of those teams beat Kansas on a neutral floor.
True - 5 losses is a hell of a lot of losses for a top 7 squad at this point.

That said, who really deserves to be ahead of them? I still can't convince myself that MU deserves their 4th slot, but I can't find many teams out there that deserve to move ahead of them based on resume.

Kansas has lost 3 games to teams in the top 5, right? 1 more to a top 20 team in ISU that's on fire right now, and then their bad loss to Davidson. As a voter, don't you set that loss off against their win vs. OSU? We all know that Sullinger not playing is the reason KU won it, but its STILL a W against the #2 team in the country.

5 losses is a bunch, but seeing what I've seen so far this year, I couldn't move any of those teams ahead of KU in good conscious.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:29 PM   #756
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What if Maryland left the ACC? Would Duke go out of their way to schedule them?
No, but Maryland is Duke's Kansas State.

What if North Carolina left the ACC?

Yeah, I'm thinking they'd keep playing each other.

Or you can just go with the standard beaker line of "seriously, the MU game has never been that important to us", as though that's actually believable. I'm sure that KSU/KU rivalry has really been your biggest one all these years.
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What if Maryland left the ACC? Would Duke go out of their way to schedule them?
Is Texas scheduling A&M anymore?

That rivalry is as old as KU-MU.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:32 PM   #758
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Is Texas scheduling A&M anymore?

That rivalry is as old as KU-MU.
And the University of Texas is the biggest cockholster in organized college athletics.

When you're citing the actions of UT to justify your behavior, you should probably re-consider what it is you're doing.

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Old 02-06-2012, 12:32 PM   #759
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True - 5 losses is a hell of a lot of losses for a top 7 squad at this point.

That said, who really deserves to be ahead of them? I still can't convince myself that MU deserves their 4th slot, but I can't find many teams out there that deserve to move ahead of them based on resume.

Kansas has lost 3 games to teams in the top 5, right? 1 more to a top 20 team in ISU that's on fire right now, and then their bad loss to Davidson. As a voter, don't you set that loss off against their win vs. OSU? We all know that Sullinger not playing is the reason KU won it, but its STILL a W against the #2 team in the country.

5 losses is a bunch, but seeing what I've seen so far this year, I couldn't move any of those teams ahead of KU in good conscious.
I would rank them as follows:

1. Kentucky
2. Syracuse
3. Ohio State
4. Mizzou
5. Baylor
6. North Carolina
7. Florida
8. Duke
9. Murray State
10. Georgetown
11. Kansas
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:34 PM   #760
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Is Texas scheduling A&M anymore?

That rivalry is as old as KU-MU.
Just because Texas has made the same bone headed decision does not make it right. The pundits on Saturday listed a ton of rivalries throughout college basketball that occur with teams from different conferences.

And yes, if Duke or NC were to change conferences, I would bet that they would still figure out a way to play every year.

Using Texas to justify ku's decision just shows how ku is nothing more than UT's bitch.
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And the University of Texas is the biggest cockholster in organized college athletics.

When you're citing the actions of UT to justify your behavior, you should probably re-consider what it is you're doing.

Texas can eat a whole bowl of dicks.
eh, I'm not really concerned about it.

If they play, they play. If they don't, they don't.

I was just curious to hear about other rivalries ending because the way MU fans talk around hear you'd think this was a completely unprecedented thing that the University of Kansas is pulling.

And that obviously is not true.
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I would rank them as follows:

1. Kentucky
2. Syracuse
3. Ohio State
4. Mizzou
5. Baylor
6. North Carolina
7. Florida
8. Duke
9. Murray State
10. Georgetown
11. Kansas
You really think Kansas wouldn't curbstomp Murray State? And Duke's had 2 lousy losses this season (the Miami loss is as bad as Davidson). I certainly don't see anything that Georgetown has done to impress me.

I guess I can buy putting Florida ahead of them and I think NC has the most talent in the nation so they can stay as well. But I don't see how you could put them any lower than 8.
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Just because Texas has made the same bone headed decision does not make it right. The pundits on Saturday listed a ton of rivalries throughout college basketball that occur with teams from different conferences.

And yes, if Duke or NC were to change conferences, I would bet that they would still figure out a way to play every year.

Using Texas to justify ku's decision just shows how ku is nothing more than UT's bitch.
UT's bitch?

Being associated with UT has lead Kansas to many great athletic achievements and monetary advantages.

I don't think the University has a single regret being involved with that powerhouse.
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eh, I'm not really concerned about it.

If they play, they play. If they don't, they don't.

I was just curious to hear about other rivalries ending because the way MU fans talk around hear you'd think this was a completely unprecedented thing that the University of Kansas is pulling.

And that obviously is not true.
Texas/A & M is the only other rivalry you can cite that is ending in the same way. Meanwhile, they are at least 10 long standing rivalries between teams from different conferences that continue each and every season.
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And that obviously is not true.
Nope - there are clearly other schools having asshurt little temper tantrums right now in addition to Kansas.

Meanwhile rivalries like Iowa-ISU, UGA - GT, Clemson - SC, WVU - Pitt, ND - USC and ND - Mich continue to thrive and generate plenty of entertainment for their respective fanbases.

Thank God some of those programs didn't have petulant children like Zenger, Self and Dodds running the show whenever a rough patch came along.

If the KU administrators would simply call it what it is - petty resentment - I wouldn't give them so much grief about it. But that's exactly what this is all about.
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