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Old 02-03-2012, 10:32 PM  
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Chiefs hire Daboll

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Old 02-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #226
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Damn, that is some condemning shit.
Absolutely frightening, isn't it?

This is completely embarrassing...

Just talking win loss and TD:INT ratios, here are Chad Pennington and Brett Favres combined totals for with and without Daboll:

46-18 win loss record WITHOUT DABOLL the 2 surrounding years combined for both players

10-14 WITH DABOLL


On paper, this is a horrendous hire.

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Now lets talk combined TD:INT ratio....that is if you can stomach reading this info...I admit it made me a little ill researching it...

97:45 TD:INT WITHOUT DABOLL

32:31 WITH DABOLL
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Old 02-04-2012, 02:57 AM   #227
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Daboll, who turns 37 in a couple of months, was on staff for two years in New England after the Patriots drafted Matt Cassel in 2005. Though this isn't a sexy hire for Kansas City, Cassel has enjoyed his best two NFL seasons (2008, 2010) in systems just like Daboll's. While Romeo Crennel has vowed to create competition, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is still a huge Cassel supporter. Feb 4 - 12:56 AM
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1354/chiefs-offense
Is it bad that I wish Cassel to have a career ending injury or Pioli to be caught molesting a donkey and gets jailed for it?
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:01 AM   #228
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Don't think so. He's spanning teams, offensive systems, receivers, opponents, strength of schedule, dome vs. outdoor.

Those numbers aren't really all that goofy when you consider all the factors. Favre was throwing to Coles and Cotchery with the Jets (and Pennington was as well). Pennington's Jets played the NFC East in 2007 which included 13-3, 10-6, 9-7, and 8-8 as well as the undefeated Patriots.

I don't think you have enough data on the table to put all that crap on Daboll.
This is true. But the lack of positives is quite frankly, shocking, considering we're tabbing this guy to fix our broken offense.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:05 AM   #229
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Don't think so. He's spanning teams, offensive systems, receivers, opponents, strength of schedule, dome vs. outdoor.

Those numbers aren't really all that goofy when you consider all the factors. Favre was throwing to Coles and Cotchery with the Jets (and Pennington was as well). Pennington's Jets played the NFC East in 2007 which included 13-3, 10-6, 9-7, and 8-8 as well as the undefeated Patriots.

I don't think you have enough data on the table to put all that crap on Daboll.
Chad Pennington went to the 1-15 Dolphins and lead them to a 11-5 record with pretty much the same stats he got in NY the year before Daboll got there with essentially the same set of tools Brett had to work with.

I hope that last statement made sense, its late and it made sense to me.

Those boil down numbers of the surrounding production is way past scary.

Its the closest brand of "stat proof" we have to go off at the time being.

Lets just HOPE he has had an epiphany since then, I guess.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:09 AM   #230
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This is true. But the lack of positives is quite frankly, shocking, considering we're tabbing this guy to fix our broken offense.
Our offense isn't all that broken. We get our star RB back. We get a talented TE. Our 1st round draft pick will have a year and an actual offseason under his belt. Our starting center won't be shoved all over the place because he's gone along with his precious consecutive snaps streak. Even with a questionable OC hire and Cassel at QB, I predict an offense in the top half of the league.

The positives for me are that Romeo and Pioli are staking very high dollar salaries on this guy. He's not sexy but he's not some retread has-been either.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:13 AM   #231
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:19 AM   #232
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Chad Pennington went to the 1-15 Dolphins and lead them to a 11-5 record with pretty much the same stats he got in NY the year before Daboll got there with essentially the same set of tools Brett had to work with.

I hope that last statement made sense, its late and it made sense to me.

Those boil down numbers of the surrounding production is way past scary.

Its the closest brand of "stat proof" we have to go off at the time being.

Lets just HOPE he has had an epiphany since then, I guess.
I get what you're trying to prove with numbers. But when you start analyzing numbers you have to work with constants and eliminate variables. All you have are variables with the statistics you're presenting. RainMan and cdcox would laugh at the numbers you're presenting here simply because you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:20 AM   #233
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The positive to this hire versus Saunders or Zorn is that Cassel doesn't get another "excuse year" where he gets a free pass due to another scheme change.

Its either shit, or finally get the **** off the pot.

Maybe it also gives Orton something too,because Daboll wanted him in Miami.

Other than that, Im finding a hard time seeing the bright side to this hire and I started digging hoping that I would find something to be positive about.

That, obviously, didn't happen.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:29 AM   #234
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:31 AM   #235
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Maimi beat the Chiefs, right? So this is how we get back at them.
UHHH NO they got the OC we wanted and gave us the one they didnt
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:31 AM   #236
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I get what you're trying to prove with numbers. But when you start analyzing numbers you have to work with constants and eliminate variables. All you have are variables with the statistics you're presenting. RainMan and cdcox would laugh at the numbers you're presenting here simply because you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Well, in football, what you propose is nearly impossible to do.

Especially with a guy that hasnt been able to keep a job long enough to form a decent sample size.

This is his third OC job in the last 4 years. Is that right? crazy.

All I did was just compile some performance data from the most relevant things to judge from at the position.

At this point, all Im saying with all of this is that it seems he didnt help to improve the play of the players under his coaching...in fact the opposite is closer to the actual truth.

The guy leaves NE and right after he does so, they make moves for Welker and Moss and go on to one of the best offenses the league has ever seen.

I really want to believe in this hire, Im a glass half full type of guy by nature and his job and the fruits of his work are pivitol in this teams chances at success over the next couple years...but Im finding it hard to find positives about this hire.
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:33 AM   #237
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To me this is much worse than taking another DE with our first rd pick
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:39 AM   #239
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I can almost assure you that there are 15 better coordinators in college fb
It is ironic that your very next post is about the NFL draft because the simple truth is that this hire is very much like a draft pick. There's not a single person on this site who can know how this thing is going to turn out 2 years down the road. We just don't know. And we have to wait until September to even get a glimpse. So there's no sense losing our shorts over it tonight.
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This is a hire that screams "no worthy candidate from a playoff team wanted the job, so we called in a member of the tree. Go Cassel."

Phil, what do you see in this hire that says "we can win playoff games with this guy as our OC"?
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