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Old 02-09-2012, 11:18 AM  
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U.S. may approve 1st nuclear reactors since 1978

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...ove/53027204/1

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is expected to approve Southern Co.'s request to build two nuclear reactors in the southern state of Georgia.
If approved, the $14 billion reactors could begin operating as soon as 2016 and 2017.

STORY: Regulators approve nuclear reactor design
The NRC last approved construction of a nuclear plant in 1978, a year before a partial meltdown of the Three Mile Island nuclear plant in Pennsylvania raised fears of a radiation release and brought new reactor orders nearly to a halt.

The NRC approved a new reactor design for the Georgia plant in December. Utility companies in Florida and the Carolinas also plan new reactors that use the same design by Westinghouse Electric Co.

The planned reactors are remnants of a once-anticipated building boom that the power industry dubbed the "nuclear renaissance."

President Obama has offered the Georgia project $8.3 billion in federal loan guarantees as part of its pledge to expand nuclear power.

Obama and other proponents say greater use of nuclear power could cut U.S. reliance on fossil fuels and create energy without producing emissions blamed for global warming. A new government permit process strongly encourages utilities to use pre-approved reactor designs rather than building custom models, a strategy intended to make construction easier and less expensive.
The once hoped-for boom has been plagued by a series of problems, from the prolonged economic downturn to the sharp drop in the price of natural gas, due in part to improved drilling techniques that have allowed energy companies to tap previously unavailable underground shale formations.
The nuclear disaster in Japan last year also increased scrutiny of the industry and led to a series of recommendations by the NRC to improve safety at the 104 U.S. nuclear reactors. The changes are intended to make the plants better prepared for incidents they were not initially designed to handle, such as prolonged power blackouts or damage to multiple reactors at the same time.

The agency also has proposed increased protection against earthquakes, floods and fires.

The Georgia project is considered by many observers to be a major test of whether the industry can build nuclear plants without the delays and cost overruns that plagued earlier rounds of building decades ago.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:20 AM   #2
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:54 AM   #3
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I wonder why they would ty it in Geiorgia but not in California. Isn't Cali the state with the rolling blackout problem?
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:57 AM   #4
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:58 AM   #5
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:06 PM   #6
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I wonder why they would ty it in Geiorgia but not in California. Isn't Cali the state with the rolling blackout problem?
Land is too valuable in California.
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:48 PM   #7
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I wonder why they would ty it in Geiorgia but not in California. Isn't Cali the state with the rolling blackout problem?
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:56 PM   #8
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:58 PM   #9
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Land is too valuable in California.
When you are talking about $16Billion projects, land price is the least expensive component. $1M and acre would be budget dust.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:26 PM   #10
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I wonder why they would ty it in Geiorgia but not in California. Isn't Cali the state with the rolling blackout problem?
A few years back I was involved with a project that required us to hire contractors around the country. The two partners I had on the project were adamant about one thing: absolutely no hiring from California even though they had a good population of the particular skill set we needed.

Why? They didn't want to be involved with the restrictive regulations that came with employing Californians, nor did they want to be involved with the particular social/political environment there.

Don't know that this applies at all here but it came to mind when you asked the question.
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I wonder why they would ty it in Geiorgia but not in California. Isn't Cali the state with the rolling blackout problem?
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:45 PM   #12
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A few years back I was involved with a project that required us to hire contractors around the country. The two partners I had on the project were adamant about one thing: absolutely no hiring from California even though they had a good population of the particular skill set we needed.

Why? They didn't want to be involved with the restrictive regulations that came with employing Californians, nor did they want to be involved with the particular social/political environment there.

Don't know that this applies at all here but it came to mind when you asked the question.
I feel your pain. I'm with a national healthcare provider and our clinical recruiters are loosing hair trying to deal with CA.

I'm on the sales and operations side, which is pretty straight forward. The clinicians have a long list of weirdness that includes things like state mandated pay and mandated hours are a few that I can remember them tossing out there.

I can't think of any other states that are anywhere close to the silliness that CA has thrown together.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:49 PM   #13
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I feel your pain. I'm with a national healthcare provider and our clinical recruiters are loosing hair trying to deal with CA.

I'm on the sales and operations side, which is pretty straight forward. The clinicians have a long list of weirdness that includes things like state mandated pay and mandated hours are a few that I can remember them tossing out there.

I can't think of any other states that are anywhere close to the silliness that CA has thrown together.
Yep, you know the deal. Their rules covering contractors were insane as well.

Cali's anti-employer policies have not only cost them untold amounts of lost revenue dollars they have also contributed to bankrupting that state.
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A few years back I was involved with a project that required us to hire contractors around the country. The two partners I had on the project were adamant about one thing: absolutely no hiring from California even though they had a good population of the particular skill set we needed.

Why? They didn't want to be involved with the restrictive regulations that came with employing Californians, nor did they want to be involved with the particular social/political environment there.

Don't know that this applies at all here but it came to mind when you asked the question.
I was reading a story from New York yesterday, about their government rules. Some guy had 5 or 6 pizza stores. Some gov't guy came in and did an audit and gave him a fine of about $5,000 because he didn't provide enough polo shirts for employees. The pizza guy was like,(I'm paraphrasing) "Some people work a couple of hours a day. I didn't give them a shirt per day because they barely wore them."
Then he was saying it was almost not worth it to deal with the BS. Stupid.
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The reactors were approved by a vote of 4-1. The lone dissenter didn't have a problem with the plant's design, but after the Japanese disaster a few useful improvements to the design were created, which the builders agreed with and will install, that could improve the plant's safety a little bit, and the guy who voted no wanted a binding commitment that the plant could not come online without those improvements. The other 4 said that shouldn't be necessary, as long as they put in the improvements as soon as they can. (keeping the plant offline for the extra year or whatever time would have increased the cost of the project and increased the electric bills for ratepayers)

The key difference between the old reactors and the newer-generation reactors being built today is that the new reactors use a more passive type of cooling system with fewer moving parts and less reliance on power. The Japanese disaster happened because in order to safely shut down a reactor, you still needed power for the cooling system, they lost power and couldn't get power back online in time. With this new reactor's passive cooling system, you could supposedly lose power, not get power back online at all, and still safely shut it down.
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