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Old 02-16-2012, 08:53 AM  
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Where Obama and the Dem party are pushing the middle class..On purpose !

Very good but very long article in which I just pasted the first page. Here is the link to continue the read. How many here find themselves in this same unfortunate position ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us...ewanted=1&_r=1


Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It

Adam B. Ellick/The New York Times

Introduction

"Glad I ain't your age."

"How do you draw a line?"

"I don't want the government."

"It's a constant struggle."

"It's the biggest problem."

"We got off welfare."
By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM and ROBERT GEBELOFF
Published: February 11, 2012


LINDSTROM, Minn. — Ki Gulbranson owns a logo apparel shop, deals in jewelry on the side and referees youth soccer games. He makes about $39,000 a year and wants you to know that he does not need any help from the federal government.

“I don't demand that the government does this for me. I don't feel like I need the government,” said KI GULBRANSON, who counts on an earned-income tax credit and has signed up his children for free meals at school.

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

There is little poverty here in Chisago County, northeast of Minneapolis, where cheap housing for commuters is gradually replacing farmland. But Mr. Gulbranson and many other residents who describe themselves as self-sufficient members of the American middle class and as opponents of government largess are drawing more deeply on that government with each passing year.

Dozens of benefits programs provided an average of $6,583 for each man, woman and child in the county in 2009, a 69 percent increase from 2000 after adjusting for inflation. In Chisago, and across the nation, the government now provides almost $1 in benefits for every $4 in other income.

Older people get most of the benefits, primarily through Social Security and Medicare, but aid for the rest of the population has increased about as quickly through programs for the disabled, the unemployed, veterans and children.

The government safety net was created to keep Americans from abject poverty, but the poorest households no longer receive a majority of government benefits. A secondary mission has gradually become primary: maintaining the middle class from childhood through retirement. The share of benefits flowing to the least affluent households, the bottom fifth, has declined from 54 percent in 1979 to 36 percent in 2007, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis published last year.

And as more middle-class families like the Gulbransons land in the safety net in Chisago and similar communities, anger at the government has increased alongside. Many people say they are angry because the government is wasting money and giving money to people who do not deserve it. But more than that, they say they want to reduce the role of government in their own lives. They are frustrated that they need help, feel guilty for taking it and resent the government for providing it. They say they want less help for themselves; less help in caring for relatives; less assistance when they reach old age.

The expansion of government benefits has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Rick Santorum, who won 57 percent of the vote in Chisago County in the Republican presidential caucuses last week, has warned of “the narcotic of government dependency.” Newt Gingrich has compared the safety net to a spider web. Mitt Romney has said the nation must choose between an “entitlement society” and an “opportunity society.” All the candidates, including Ron Paul, have promised to cut spending and further reduce taxes.

The problem by now is familiar to most. Politicians have expanded the safety net without a commensurate increase in revenues, a primary reason for the government’s annual deficits and mushrooming debt. In 2000, federal and state governments spent about 37 cents on the safety net from every dollar they collected in revenue, according to a New York Times analysis. A decade later, after one Medicare expansion, two recessions and three rounds of tax cuts, spending on the safety net consumed nearly 66 cents of every dollar of revenue.

The recent recession increased dependence on government, and stronger economic growth would reduce demand for programs like unemployment benefits. But the long-term trend is clear. Over the next 25 years, as the population ages and medical costs climb, the budget office projects that benefits programs will grow faster than any other part of government, driving the federal debt to dangerous heights.

Americans are divided about the way forward. Seventy percent of respondents to a recent New York Times poll said the government should raise taxes. Fifty-six percent supported cuts in Medicare and Social Security. Forty-four percent favored both.
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:02 AM   #2
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:05 AM   #3
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The EITC is a bipartisan program, ****wit.
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:16 AM   #4
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Do you rely on federal government programs, sportsshrink?
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:25 AM   #5
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The EITC is a bipartisan program, ****wit.


Hey Dittsie! What's the difference between a Dem and a RINO?

Answer: The decay of America slows down under a RINO but still continues. Other than that not much.

Again Dittsie!! Woodrow Wilson(Father of Progressive thought), FDR(started entitlements-Soc Sec), LBJ(expanded entitlements-created Fed Welfare-Medicare/Medicaid to so call end the war on poverty), Jimmy Carter(initiated in '77' The Community Reinvestment Act-affordable housing),Bill Clinton(greatly accelerated this program with the creation of Freddie and Fannie(created by Dems and led by Dems Frank/Dodd) which eventually led to our current housing crisis.

All Dems Dittsie!!!! And RINOs go along to further their political career.
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:26 AM   #6
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Do you rely on federal government programs, sportsshrink?
NOPE!
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:31 AM   #7
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Obama thinks he will be able to literally buy his votes because he believes now there are more takers than makers and this is what he is counting on.
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:38 AM   #8
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Have you, in the past three years?
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:00 AM   #9
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The EITC is a bipartisan program, ****wit.
It's not just about the EITC. It's about the wide variety of government programs that lure the independent into dependence.
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Do you rely on federal government programs, sportsshrink?
Most of us have relied on government programs to one degree or another. Student loans, tax breaks for installing energy efficient windows on a house, tax breaks for raising kids, cash for clunkers, unemployment benefits, social security, medicare, and on and on.
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Most of us have relied on government programs to one degree or another. Student loans, tax breaks for installing energy efficient windows on a house, tax breaks for raising kids, cash for clunkers, unemployment benefits, social security, medicare, and on and on.
Buying a Corvette.....
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:30 AM   #12
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Buying a Corvette.....
if i can lose another 50 lb or so, i could fit into a corvette...

well, if i cut a hole in the top for my head...
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if i can lose another 50 lb or so, i could fit into a corvette...

well, if i cut a hole in the top for my head...
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well, if i cut a hole in the top for my head...
In your case go for the convertible.
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sounds like good advice...

but what about winter, if we ever see one again?
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