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Old 03-04-2012, 04:18 AM  
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Obama birth certificate to turn into election year issue?

I've pretty well ignored this whole thing, but this is looking like it's not going away any time soon.


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Old 03-05-2012, 01:10 AM   #61
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Possibly, I was just offering one scenario. ... based on the scant data I have, there is no way to know.
Well, like I said...you KNOW you skipped at least one step......because in every scenario you mention there is at LEAST one additional SOFTWARE modification that must happen to the document in between simply scanning the document and hosting it on the website.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:18 AM   #62
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Again, not true. You can say they shouldn't... but I can recreate a plausible situation right now..

Random dude grabs original, walks to copier, loads safety paper in feeder, places original on platen, copies to the safety paper and then stamps and signs it... then replaces original with new signed one on platen, hits big button for SCAN to email (or folder)... and done, he has the pdf to forward to the White House. That's a pretty standard procedure in any office or government environment.
So how would the individual elements get on their own layers in that scenario?
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Old 03-05-2012, 03:08 AM   #63
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So how would the individual elements get on their own layers in that scenario?
Not likely, but it could happen during PDF encoding, more likely it occurs when file is imported into illustrator or Photoshop. Again, I would need to know the exact method/software used to encode... I don't know of any built in scanner/copier software that would do it but I don't pretend to know even a significant portion of all the ones out there. There are just too many possibilities for me to do anything but guess.

I can personally vouch for at least two ways that I have seen it happen but both were using a scanner and desktop software not a copier/scanner. So the scenario I outlined may not be feasible, or it may be exactly what happened, I would need to look into the encoding standards for all the copier/scanners out there to know for sure.

Either way, if I were president, I might take the 5 minutes to assign 1 secret service tech the job of getting something much more confirmable instead of this crap. Fake or legit, its pretty ridiculous that he won't properly address it.

To me its like he bragged he owned a porche and used a blurry pic as proof... If there is doubt, how hard is it to go take a new pic? Its not like this should be so ****ing hard to lay to rest.
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:40 AM   #64
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No one scans to pdf. That's ****ing silly.
Not true at all. I do it all the time instead of sending faxes.
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:25 AM   #65
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He does not want it laid to rest. He wants people to talk about it. The guy may be an asshole, but he's not stupid. Keep everyone talking about this crap so you can whip out a better proof later and make them all look stupid. Talk about birth control in the Republican primaries like it's a real issue all the sudden. Make a big issue of a radio talk show host making insulting remarks. It keeps the Republicans on defense.

Brilliant. Seriously, the Dems are so much better at this shit than the Republicans.
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:05 AM   #66
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This sure is a winning campaign for the GOP. Contaceptives and Birth Certificates. And you'll wonder why Obama won by 5 points.


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Old 03-05-2012, 06:52 AM   #67
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He does not want it laid to rest. He wants people to talk about it. The guy may be an asshole, but he's not stupid. Keep everyone talking about this crap so you can whip out a better proof later and make them all look stupid. Talk about birth control in the Republican primaries like it's a real issue all the sudden. Make a big issue of a radio talk show host making insulting remarks. It keeps the Republicans on defense.

Brilliant. Seriously, the Dems are so much better at this shit than the Republicans.
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:56 AM   #68
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Im sorry but an op-ed article oing ad-homenim attacks isnt worth piss...

Have you looked at the document? I'm really only interested in the document itself..and the facts...
JFC you are slow. How do you know what they are showing you is the real document and not some fake? You don't know because Arapio and his "posse" have ZERO credibility. That is the point I am making...grrr
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:59 AM   #69
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:05 AM   #70
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It is all a massive conspiracy by Hawaii and 2 governors and Obama's family by planting his birth announcement 50 years ago.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-recor...ate_042711.pdf

On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the President‟s personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).

On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.

President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment. (Letter from Director Fuddy is attached).

Governor Neil Abercrombie stated: “Considering all of the investigations that have been done and the information that has been provided, no rational person can question the President‟s citizenship. We have found a way – once again – to confirm what we already knew: the President was born here in Hawai„i. State officials of both parties have verified that President Obama‟s birth records show that he was born in Honolulu.

“President Obama‟s mother and father were dear friends of mine, and we must respect their memory. It is an insult to the President, his parents and to the Office to suggest that he was not born in Hawai„i. The State of Hawai„i has done everything within our legal ability to disabuse these conspiracy theorists. We granted the President‟s request for certified copies of his birth certificate so we can all move on from this unfortunate distraction and focus on the real issues affecting people today.”
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:09 AM   #71
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And for good measure from an Adobe certified expert that Fox News hired. Now about it losers

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...ificate-legit/
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It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

“I know that you can scan a document from a scanner most of the time it will appear as one piece, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no software that’s doing this kind of stuff,” he said, adding that it’s really quite common.

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.
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Fine, I know all you Trek nerds out there. If you don't want to post it, then I will. But I do so because none of you had the balls.

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Setting aside the obvious question of why a forger would not collapse the image down to a single plane in the first place, the "organization" of the various layers makes no sense if presumed to be someone fabricating the document.

The reality is that when a scanned bitmap image is brought into Adobe Illustrator, it is "vectorized" and the different vector elements are assigned into separate layers by the Software. This is the normal mode of operation by Illustrator when dealing with scanned images and is not evidence of nefarious activity in and of itself.

Obama is hoping this birth certificate issue will eclipse the wars and economy, then he is going to wait until just before the election to come clean on his real father and shame his opponents for playing "dirty politics" to ride the tide of public sympathy into his second term.
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:25 AM   #74
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Fine, I know all you Trek nerds out there. If you don't want to post it, then I will. But I do so because none of you had the balls.

This is more apropos:

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Old 03-05-2012, 07:37 AM   #75
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This is CBS....so MSM so-to-speak......so I'm shocked this is actually becoming a story again.

If this somehow can be proved to be a fake.....there's a lot of people who at first, looked like fools....but will be vindicated.

That said, this is just another BS distraction to keep our attention from the economy and Iran.
The reason this is becoming a story again is because Obama and Eric Holder want Joe Arapaio OUT !!! So they will allow the Marxist Media to attempt to "Alinskyize" him. This is really all about the illegal immigration issue and the state of Arizona thumbing their nose to the WH.
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