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Old 03-04-2012, 09:10 PM  
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Late night bullshit: I know this means I'm clinically stupid, but I think RG3 busts.

Yes, that's right.

And yes, I know this makes me stupid, because everybody and their mother loves RG3 and believes he is a potential All Pro QB.

I'll keep this short and sweet, since I haven't even hit "submit" yet and I can sense the brow-beating I'm going to take.

But some people believe you should trade away our entire draft for RG3. Something no other team in the NFL has ever done for a QB.

I don't think we should. And putting aside all those worries about the draft being a place from which we can build depth, and all the young talent we'd be forfeiting on, etc etc.

For the purposes of this post, I'm just going to focus on RG3. I think the kid could bust.

Several concerns:

* The only player that actually projects to RG3's style of play in the modern NFL is Michael Vick. And Vick's career has been injury-laden and teams have effectively schemed in 2011 to erase him from the equation anyway.

* Griffin has a fantastic arm. But if you watch any games he played over the past couple years, it's not exactly a pro offense he's running, to put it kindly. To put it even harsher, Griffin's extreme, unprecedented athleticism absorbed and confused college defenses so profoundly that he was basically playing catch the past couple of years against broken-down defenses. Anybody watch the bowl game against Washington?

I am a believer that the more NFL throws (i.e. accurate throws into tight windows) a QB has to make in college is a predictor of their NFL success. Griffin was such a unique talent in that wide-open spread Baylor runs that he almost never had to do this.

* His style of play is radical. There's no existing playbook for somebody who plays like he does, with his amazing versatility and electric game-breaking ability. There's no precedent that this kind of quarterbacking reaps Super Bowl success.

* A lot of Griffin's highlight reels come from broken plays, and he is an astonishing player for those kinds of circumstances. His Plan Cs and Ds are fascinating. But I don't have a lot of faith in Griffin's abilities to read blitzes or coverage schemes, because he's never had to. (Granted, this is a complaint for the vast majority of QB prospects, but it's a valid concern if we're giving up an entire draft for the guy.)

* Also, and this might just be my lack of familiarity with who RG3 is as a person: by all accounts, RG3 is a humble, high-character kid. But I don't know if he's intelligent. There are some truly intelligent players in this draft: Luck, Cousins, Weeden, Keenum. But there hasn't been the same flooding of praise about RG3's intelligence as there has been for some of these other QBs.

I accept the punishment I'm about to receive. I know it's coming. I'm and idiot.

But somebody needs to register some dissent against the assinine idea of trading away an entire draft for a player we'd have to radically reconstruct our playbook to accomodate.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:12 PM   #2
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:13 PM   #3
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Quick, gif up how badly I'm going to get my ass handed to me in this thread.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:15 PM   #4
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You lost me when compared to mike vick man. He is a good passer & can have upside much like Cam Newton. I can understand the conserns, however we never go out of our way for a top notch draft pick & it's been over 30 years since we drafted one in the first round. Look at our track record & number of playoff wins as a result.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:15 PM   #5
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The guy is close to his Masters degree in the time it takes most to earn their Bachelors. If that doesnt say something about his intelligence, nothing will.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:15 PM   #6
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But I don't know if he's intelligent. There are some truly intelligent players in this draft: Luck, Cousins, Weeden, Keenum. But there hasn't been the same flooding of praise about RG3's intelligence as there has been for some of these other QBs.
Have you watched any interviews with the kid? Everything I have seen and read about this RGIII directly contradicts your concerns here.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:16 PM   #7
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:16 PM   #8
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He was accepted into Law school after 3 years in college where he got a degree in political science and was finishing a masters degree in it this year.


I'd say he's pretty intelligent.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:17 PM   #9
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Maybe his radical play puts whatever team that gets him ahead of the curve?
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:17 PM   #10
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You lost me when compared to mike vick man. He is a good passer & can have upside much like Cam Newton. I can understand the conserns, however we never go out of our way for a top notch draft pick & it's been over 30 years since we drafted one in the first round. Look at our track record & number of playoff wins as a result.
Cam Newton, off the top of my head, is two inches taller (meh) and something like 30-40 pounds of pure muscle heavier.

Newton, like Tebow, can afford to play that way because he has the body to take that kind of abuse.

RG3's body type is pure Vick.

I can appreciate your desire to win playoffs games. But I'm all about picking the high fruit. I want a Super Bowl. And an RG3, Mike Vick type QB has never won one.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:17 PM   #11
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Cam Newton was just fine, RGIII is an even better prospect.

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Old 03-04-2012, 09:17 PM   #12
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He was accepted into Law school after 3 years in college where he got a degree in political science and was finishing a masters degree in it this year.


I'd say he's pretty intelligent.

He held a gun to his professors head
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:18 PM   #13
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The guy is close to his Masters degree in the time it takes most to earn their Bachelors. If that doesnt say something about his intelligence, nothing will.
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He was accepted into Law school after 3 years in college where he got a degree in political science and was finishing a masters degree in it this year.

I'd say he's pretty intelligent.
Point taken.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:18 PM   #14
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He was accepted into Law school after 3 years in college where he got a degree in political science and was finishing a masters degree in it this year.


I'd say he's pretty intelligent.
The stupidity some people use to justify their positions is amazing at times.
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:18 PM   #15
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Why are people so concerned with a bust? Clearly what we have been doing for all these years, using retread QBs isn't working either. Atleast it would bring some excitement and a chance to be better. Of course we could just draft some OL and DL in the upcoming draft, trot Matt Cassel out and go 7-9 or 8-8 for the next 2 years. That has always been so much fun.
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